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    Ok, not new here, but its been a while, here is a question I have been wondering about: what exactly is the point of ows? What are the goals? In other words im sure most people would like it to end, so how would their goals be seen as achieved? As in how would whoever the protest is against capitulate?

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    Originally posted by Etbauer View Post
    Ok, not new here, but its been a while, here is a question I have been wondering about: what exactly is the point of ows? What are the goals? In other words im sure most people would like it to end, so how would their goals be seen as achieved? As in how would whoever the protest is against capitulate?
    Naaahhh... I'm fine with them going on banging on drums, crapping on police cars and OD'ing right up through next November.
    Last edited by O'Sullivan Bere; 12-01-2011, 05:43 PM.

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      Best (mostly due to spot on accuracy) names for the OWC:
      - the Flea Party
      - Fleabaggers
      - Right to Licers
      - Filth ridden fools
      - Occupy their own Excrement Crowd


      Atlanta OWC - TB

      Santa Cruze OWC - Ring Worm

      NYC OWC - Scabies and Lice

      Santa Cruz OWC - POOP

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        The Occupiers and the Teabaggers have a lot in common.

        They both share the belief that America is increasingly a corporate oligarchy and not a democracy.

        They both understand that our politicians are bought and paid for.

        Both movements decry the bailouts of Wall St.

        Of course, anyone can read and learn about either movement, while those averse to reading will start nonsensical threads like this ignorant of having done any kind of research on their own.

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          The OWS is a gift that keeps giving, for the right.

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            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
            The OWS is a gift that keeps giving, for the right.
            I dunno, I think the right is jealous that their movement faded faster than a fart in the wind while this movement has grown to include more than 43,000 cities and communities around the world.

            You know they're jealous when they act this ignorant about what it is it stands for and don't have the energy to want to learn about their grievances.

            Always the mark of petty bigots when you bring prejudice to a thing and can't actually attack it with real ideas.

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              Originally posted by Jason Marcel View Post
              I dunno, I think the right is jealous that their movement faded faster than a fart in the wind while this movement has grown to include more than 43,000 cities and communities around the world.
              Name one OWS candidate currently serving in office.

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                Originally posted by Jason Marcel View Post
                The Occupiers and the Teabaggers have a lot in common.

                They both share the belief that America is increasingly a corporate oligarchy and not a democracy.

                They both understand that our politicians are bought and paid for.

                Both movements decry the bailouts of Wall St.

                Of course, anyone can read and learn about either movement, while those averse to reading will start nonsensical threads like this ignorant of having done any kind of research on their own.
                Allright fair point about the research, but I am asking, I understand the overall point is income inequality, and the point of a protest is to produce change, so if they were to leave happy with the results of the protest, what would have to happen?

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                  Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                  Name one OWS candidate currently serving in office.
                  Has there been any kind of major election since OWS formed?

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                    Originally posted by Etbauer View Post
                    Allright fair point about the research, but I am asking, I understand the overall point is income inequality, and the point of a protest is to produce change, so if they were to leave happy with the results of the protest, what would have to happen?
                    There's no easy answer to that, because a lot of these people defy the usual left-right stuff, even if those on the right assign these people as "hippies" or left-wing extremists or commies or whatever.

                    Most of these people were apolitical creatures just going about their business the last few years, working their jobs, trying to pay down their debts and get ahead. A lot of them voted for Obama, but they weren't lifelong Democrats or Republicans. They're the "silent majority" and they're pissed off about a lot of things.

                    I think the people who shoot their mouths off here should actually just go and speak to these people about things. Hear their stories. They're mostly moderate people.

                    The movement is still at the early stage of recognizing that many things within our system are either broken or working against us. So income inequality is one big narrative, but there are many other things, like you'll meet people who work 40+ hrs/week at jobs they don't mind, but their corporations only give them the job as a "part-timer" in order to keep as much profit as possible while not having to guarantee any kind of benefits. Walmart could offer benefits to the share of its 2 million employees who don't have benefits and it would hardly make a dent in the $14 billion they've made. The huge civil action that over 14,000 people had signed onto that was rejected by the SCOTUS because the petition was, in the words of the court, "too big", pissed a lot of people off.

                    Most of these people have awoken to the fact that the Great Recession was a manufactured crisis from the top. Then they got their automatons in gov't to dole out $1.6 trillion (although the Fed has been giving them even more than that) in taxpayer dollars, and now that they're sitting on more capital than what they had before the recession, it irks a lot of regular people that Wall St. isn't helping to bail Americans out, while instead giving jobs to Communists in China.

                    People see their elected officials as being bought and paid for by Wall St, which is why they're not surrounding the mall in Washington (yet) because a lot of these people want to see heads roll on Wall St.

                    Even moderate to conservative people agree that there ought to be a number of big bankers in jail right now.

                    I think if a few dozen big arrests were made, that would help a lot.

                    If a tax was levied on Wall Streeters for every trade they made, like how people pay taxes to the bank every time they use their debit cards, that would be something.

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                      Originally posted by Jason Marcel View Post
                      There's no easy answer to that, because a lot of these people defy the usual left-right stuff, even if those on the right assign these people as "hippies" or left-wing extremists or commies or whatever...

                      The movement is still at the early stage of recognizing that many things within our system are either broken or working against us. So income inequality is one big narrative, but there are many other things, like you'll meet people who work 40+ hrs/week at jobs they don't mind, but their corporations only give them the job as a "part-timer" in order to keep as much profit as possible while not having to guarantee any kind of benefits. Walmart could offer benefits to the share of its 2 million employees who don't have benefits and it would hardly make a dent in the $14 billion they've made. The huge civil action that over 14,000 people had signed onto that was rejected by the SCOTUS because the petition was, in the words of the court, "too big", pissed a lot of people off.

                      Most of these people have awoken to the fact that the Great Recession was a manufactured crisis from the top. Then they got their automatons in gov't to dole out $1.6 trillion (although the Fed has been giving them even more than that) in taxpayer dollars, and now that they're sitting on more capital than what they had before the recession, it irks a lot of regular people that Wall St. isn't helping to bail Americans out, while instead giving jobs to Communists in China.

                      People see their elected officials as being bought and paid for by Wall St, which is why they're not surrounding the mall in Washington (yet) because a lot of these people want to see heads roll on Wall St.

                      Even moderate to conservative people agree that there ought to be a number of big bankers in jail right now.

                      I think if a few dozen big arrests were made, that would help a lot.

                      If a tax was levied on Wall Streeters for every trade they made, like how people pay taxes to the bank every time they use their debit cards, that would be something.

                      Ok, I havent figured out how to hack the quotes up yet, but i tried to trim that down a little bit. My feeling is that like a war (nowhere the same scale, nobody get excited) protests are a bad thing and sort of an extreme measure that people would like ended, so, like a war, I personally would like to see clearly defined goals, or a point, or some sort of action that they are going for. In other words ok, you win, what do we need to do to change. but that doesnt seem to be the case so ok fair enough, I'll try to leave that be as long as possible.

                      Do you think that it would have been better had there been no bailouts at all?

                      As far as a tax on wall street trades, do you see the fact that trading for money exists as a fundamental root of 'evil' in other words, it is very difficult to make money trading as it is, would you like to see that option discarded all together?

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                        This is not breaking news so it has been moved to the appropriate forum.

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                          Originally posted by Mrs. M View Post
                          This is not breaking news so it has been moved to the appropriate forum.

                          Ok, fair enough Sorry about that.

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                            Originally posted by Etbauer View Post
                            Ok, fair enough Sorry about that.
                            No problem!

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                              Re: End OWS?

                              Originally posted by Jason Marcel View Post
                              The Occupiers and the Teabaggers have a lot in common.

                              They both share the belief that America is increasingly a corporate oligarchy and not a democracy.

                              They both understand that our politicians are bought and paid for.

                              Both movements decry the bailouts of Wall St.

                              Of course, anyone can read and learn about either movement, while those averse to reading will start nonsensical threads like this ignorant of having done any kind of research on their own.
                              One nitpick: The Tea Party believes in democracy. OWS is disenchanted with it. The Tea Party mobilized conservatives to vote in 2010. OWS is actually discouraging liberals from voting in 2012.

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