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  • OWS and Greed.

    I saw this today and thought this is awesome. It boils down the hypocrisy of the OWS movement and socialism and it many many offshoots to a tee in my eyes. I know many here are going to take exception to it. But hey what can I say many take exception to the fact that people make more money than them or have a better looking spouse.


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    Re: OWS and Greed.

    Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
    I saw this today and thought this is awesome. It boils down the hypocrisy of the OWS movement and socialism and it many many offshoots to a tee in my eyes. I know many here are going to take exception to it. But hey what can I say many take exception to the fact that people make more money than them or have a better looking spouse.

    [snipped video]
    Nothing factual about that guy's opinion, thanatos. It's fairly clear that that guy (who clearly has some kind of Rush-like ego problem) is blowing it out his ass, and here's why.

    For example, Occupy Vancouver saved the city over $1 million in providing social services:

    The media’s latest attempt to undercut the message of Occupy movements all across the globe is by touting the “cost” of these protests. Many sources are reporting that Occupy movements are costing cities hundreds of thousands of dollars in police overtime because apparently it takes an entire precinct to make sure that 50 people don't sleep through the night. When an internal city memorandum stated that Occupy Vancouver had cost its city nearly a million dollars in taxpayer money, the organizers did something brilliant: they broke down the cost of what they were doing for the city of Vancouver.

    The media’s latest attempt to undercut the message of Occupy movements all across the globe is by touting the “cost” of these protests. Many sources are reporting that Occupy movements are costing cities hundreds of thousands of dollars in police overtime because apparently it takes an entire precinct to make sure that 50 people don't sleep through the night. When an internal city memorandum stated that Occupy Vancouver had cost its city nearly a million dollars in taxpayer money, the organizers did something brilliant: they broke down the cost of what they were doing for the city of Vancouver.

    Citing a recent press release from Occupy Vancouver, member Eric Hamilton-Smith noted, “…over 37,000 meals were served, $672,000 of primary medical care was provided, and 30 people were housed for 37 days at a time when beds at primary shelters were not available.” This assessment puts the overall price tag of benefits to the community at over one million dollars, approximately matching the “cost” attributed to the protests, as well as picking up the tab for services that would have been stuck to the community-at-large.

    According to a recent Vancouver Sun article, with the average bed at a shelter costing $83/night, the movement has accounted for over $90,000 in housing services. The Sun notes that with the average soup meal kitchen meal costing $3.50, the 37,000 meals served by Occupy Vancouver accounted for over $129,000 in social services.

    This is absolutely brilliant, and I suggest that all other Occupy movements take note of this.

    Occupy Vancouver has proven that they are a tangible benefit to their own community in terms that even the most cross-eyed, close-minded, right-wing-funded dunderhead can understand: dolla dolla bills (Canadian, y'all.)

    Occupy Wall Street, as well as other Occupy movements, may want to take stock (no pun intended, no pun achieved) of the benefits and services that they are offering and place a reasonable monetary value on them. These numbers could be very important when it comes to defending the relevance of the Occupy movement as a whole; and make no mistake, the Occupy movement is going to have to vigorously defend its existence on multiple fronts for an indefinite amount of time.

    Let me pre-empt a myopic critique of this plan of attack right here:

    “That’s pretty ironic that you want to put a cash value on these things when the whole Occupy Wall Street thing is against money to begin with!”

    No. And closing your mouth makes your breathing quieter.

    Two points:

    1) The Occupy movement isn’t against the concept or existence of money…you dolt. There has been much written about what it is about, some of it even by me. If you won’t google Occupy Wall Street and my name because I called you a dolt, I apologize. I just have very little patience with ignorance when it’s wrong. (Actually, I’m not really sorry. If you’re old enough to read this, you should know better than to ignore things like the deliberate destruction of the global economy. If you don't think so, you probably just got some Chunky Monkey on your monitor, there.)

    2) The Occupy movement is very big, and needs to have many tentacles, just like the financial-legislative complex that it is fighting against. There is not one simple model of change to be adopted in this fight; the new model to be adopted must be the adoption of many models. (Yeah, I know, it’s like Noam Chomsky in the background of a Pink Floyd album cover.) One of these models must be the ability to express oneself in the native language of the unconscionable elite that populate our global community of Psychopathic Multi-Nationals Gone Wild and their opening band: Fuck the People, I’m Already Elected.

    A well-oiled protesting machine must adopt many tactics, and assessing the value of providing services to a community must be of them. Instead of fighting the "cost" issue, Occupy movements should proudly declare the "cost" of the services they are providing for their respective cities.

    How much does a soup kitchen meal cost in Los Angeles? What is the daily cost to run a library in Portland? How much does a massive clean-up of Zuccotti Park cost? How much does a night in a homeless shelter cost the city of Atlanta? These are only a few ways that these protests are actually picking up social and civic services and alleviating taxpayer burden by subsidizing some of the costs associated with running a city. There are many other services currently being provided, and many more that will come. I’m sure it won’t be too long before an Occupy movement creates a Planned Parenthood, Drug Rehabilitation, or Domestic Abuse Education tent facilitated by qualified, licensed volunteers. Perhaps there are some out there already.

    It would behoove Occupy movements all across the world to assess what services they offer and to evaluate the material benefit they offer their community. This is not only key information when justifying the movement itself, but it also throws down the gauntlet by clearly showcasing the valuable act of providing services that enhance a city.

    As an extra bonus, such an evaluation would also prove to be a source of unflappable encouragement for those protestors thanklessly working for the social betterment of an antagonistic world filled with uninformed water-cooler chatter, villainizing media pundits, and hostile civic and federal authorities.

    This small bit of unified focus will prove to reap large benefits for the Occupy movement down the road, at the type of cost usually reserved for maniacal Wal-Mart holiday stampedes.


    Daily Kos: I See What Occupy Vancouver Did There...And It's Brilliant

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    • #3
      Re: OWS and Greed.

      I'd actually like to add a superior rant by a guy that actually is part of a movement and isn't just pontificating from the outside about the virtues of capitalism:

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        Re: OWS and Greed.

        Originally posted by Rude Boy View Post
        Occupy Vancouver saved the city over $1 million in providing social services:

        [INDENT]The media’s latest attempt to undercut the message of Occupy movements all across the globe is by touting the “cost” of these protests. Many sources are reporting that Occupy movements are costing cities hundreds of thousands of dollars in police overtime ...

        Citing a recent press release from Occupy Vancouver, member Eric Hamilton-Smith noted, “…over 37,000 meals were served, $672,000 of primary medical care was provided, and 30 people were housed for 37 days at a time when beds at primary shelters were not available.” This assessment puts the overall price tag of benefits to the community at over one million dollars, approximately matching the “cost” attributed to the protests...
        A very long and wrong post. Using Liberal accounting, you suppose the cost of law enforcement is offset by "social services" but the only citation is to the occupy members themselves on providing housing after a shelter was filled up. The premise is fundamentally flawed on two points:
        1. The supposed meals and beds provided may not have been costs the government paid. As the article you cited mentioned, the shelter was already at capacity. (Yes, failure is an option with freedom).
        2. Appealing to the Authority of the accused makes for a very specious form of justice indeed!

        EXAMPLE 1: The murderer says he did not do it.
        EXAMPLE 2: The occupiers say they are not costing government.

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        • #5
          Re: OWS and Greed.

          When the so called left wing MSM goes after these OWS folks, it should show up what MSM is. These are corporate interests trying to do what they can to turn folks against them. If you walked through the crowd of OWS folks, you would not find what MSM and FNC supposedly found. What our Pirate found is probably the real story here, and not what
          MSM and FNC characterizes them as being. A few in the crowd, the nuts, are being used to represent the entire movement. That appears to be obvious at this point, if you have an objective bone.

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            Re: OWS and Greed.

            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            When the so called left wing MSM goes after these OWS folks, it should show up what MSM is. These are corporate interests trying to do what they can to turn folks against them. If you walked through the crowd of OWS folks, you would not find what MSM and FNC supposedly found. What our Pirate found is probably the real story here, and not what
            MSM and FNC characterizes them as being. A few in the crowd, the nuts, are being used to represent the entire movement. That appears to be obvious at this point, if you have an objective bone.
            I've been involved in my local Occupy, and what he's saying is pure bunk.

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            • #7
              Re: OWS and Greed.

              See there are people who take exception to the truth.

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              • #8
                Re: OWS and Greed.

                Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                See there are people who take exception to the truth.
                Have you been to a local Occupy ... or are you just going to take another person's opinion as the truth you so desperately seek?

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                  Re: OWS and Greed.

                  Originally posted by Rude Boy View Post
                  Have you been to a local Occupy ... or are you just going to take another person's opinion as the truth you so desperately seek?
                  I actually had to go around 12 of the scumbags in Port Saint Lucie about a month ago. They were nothing but ignorant kids who smelled bad and was high....They where protesting a bank......One bank cause the jackasses where to fucking stupid to find the headquarters. One of the jackasses used the atm so he could get Macdonalds LOL

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                  • #10
                    Re: OWS and Greed.

                    Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                    See there are people who take exception to the truth.
                    Indeed. Such as the last line in that pathetic rant in the OP.

                    It all comes down to one question. Are you smart enough to make decisions for yourself, or do you need a greedy stranger to make them for you?
                    Clearly, most people who have such kneejerk reactions towards greed and socialism aren't smart enough to think for themselves. They are just parroting "greedy strangers" like this loudmouthed idiot.

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                    • #11
                      Re: OWS and Greed.

                      Originally posted by Formaldehyde View Post
                      Indeed. Such as the last line in that pathetic rant in the OP.

                      Clearly, most people who have such kneejerk reactions towards greed and socialism aren't smart enough to think for themselves. They are just parroting "greedy strangers" like this loudmouthed idiot.
                      Is it a comprehension disability you have? Cause I understood it perfectly. Siocialism is greed. So is communism and so is these spoiled brats. Capitalism is freedom and greed. I like freedom and wont give it up.

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                      • #12
                        Re: OWS and Greed.

                        Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                        I actually had to go around 12 of the scumbags in Port Saint Lucie about a month ago. They were nothing but ignorant kids who smelled bad and was high....They where protesting a bank......One bank cause the jackasses where to fucking stupid to find the headquarters. One of the jackasses used the atm so he could get Macdonalds LOL
                        Oh, so that's your view of a movement that's quite diverse and are in over 2600 cities.

                        Interesting; Am I an ignorant and smelly kid who gets high?

                        Well, um no, and while I have much love for my pot-smoking comrades, I don't smoke pot myself. I also have a good career. And I shower everyday.

                        I'm an Occupier.

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                        • #13
                          Re: OWS and Greed.

                          Originally posted by Rude Boy View Post
                          Oh, so that's your view of a movement that's quite diverse and are in over 2600 cities.

                          Interesting; Am I an ignorant and smelly kid who gets high?

                          Well, um no, and while I have much love for my pot-smoking comrades, I don't smoke pot myself. I also have a good career. And I shower everyday.

                          I'm an Occupier.
                          I dont know ...Are you a smelly kid? I cant smell you over the computer. You asked a question I answered it and in true liberal form because you disliked hearing the truth you got indiggnant and tried to shift the conversation.

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                          • #14
                            Re: OWS and Greed.

                            Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                            I dont know ...Are you a smelly kid? I cant smell you over the computer. You asked a question I answered it and in true liberal form because you disliked hearing the truth you got indiggnant and tried to shift the conversation.
                            I don't see the truth. In its place I see an opinion, driven by a construction of thought, which is called an ideology. The thing about ideology is few have any real basis in reality. And so few can discern ideology from reality. That is the problem.

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                              Re: OWS and Greed.

                              Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                              I saw this today and thought this is awesome. It boils down the hypocrisy of the OWS movement and socialism and it many many offshoots to a tee in my eyes. I know many here are going to take exception to it. But hey what can I say many take exception to the fact that people make more money than them or have a better looking spouse.

                              Yeah, it really is so awesome.

                              I mean, only rich people should be allowed to care about their bank accounts, not the rest of us!

                              But seriously, this guy is delivering a Glenn Beck monologue and he sounds like a fucking idiot because he actually believes capitalism is innocent in what happened 3 years ago when we all know that crony capitalism and Wall Street greed brought us this Great Recession.

                              Corporate Socialist Fascism brought to us by the right got us to this point, not left-wing liberalism and it's regulations and rules meant to steady our economy so it can weather through tough sailin'.

                              Capitalism has brought America the overwhelming health care costs it has, not socialism. It's a free market health care system, not a gov't run one.

                              Anyone who believes any of the bullshit this guy is saying is just as dumb as he is.

                              What an annoying presentation with really stupid voice inflections just like Glenn Beck.

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