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Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

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  • Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

    Economy - Lowered taxes and regulations allow companies to flourish and as Kennedy said, a rising tide lifts all boats.
    Islam - How do they not see the anti-gay, anti-woman anti-liberty of this Mafia like organization?
    Climate - even when those who claimed doom and gloom the liberals continue to cling to man is bad for the environment shtick.
    Gun Control - despite every place that more gun control is heaped on people, the more crime and use of illegal guns happens.
    Welfare Fraud - despite reports and verified fraud of billions across the nation, everything is okay to them
    Immigration - Why are we the only country not allowed to throw those who try to immigrate outside the legal channels back to their home countries.

    I think those are the top ones with plenty of other issues.

    Islam is one I am completely dumbfounded on.

    You have Imans calling for the beheading of all homosexuals but the liberals in this country somehow convince themselves it wont happen here.

    Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II, all lowered taxes and the economy jumped when they did. Well you can argue Bush II just mosied along but that is better than what we have under the rest. Bush 1 was a blip, he didn't have time to do anything.

    I really do not understand how liberals continue to ignore actual facts and figures that prove them wrong.

    Finally why the hell do they continue to try and change those of us who like the way things are going. Why not just emigrate to Europe where everything they want is already in place and working. All the liberals socialist ideals put to work already. Leave us alone to wallow in our Conservative land.

    Again I really don't understand the complete and utter denial of facts.

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    Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

    It's what they do...

    Past the age of 24-25 if you are still clinging to liberal beliefs, you are either a cynical bastard that is looking to use those platitudes to enslave others for your own gain, or you are a fool. There are only three groups on the left:

    The cynical bastards... otherwise and sometimes known as the ruling elites
    The useful fools
    The enslaved

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      Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      It's what they do...

      Past the age of 24-25 if you are still clinging to liberal beliefs, you are either a cynical bastard that is looking to use those platitudes to enslave others for your own gain, or you are a fool. There are only three groups on the left:

      The cynical bastards... otherwise and sometimes known as the ruling elites
      The useful fools
      The enslaved
      And here we have the entire spectrum of modern liberal ideology.
      The cynical bastards get elected to higher and higher office, pitching the platitudes to . . .
      The useful fools, who actually believe their crap and . . . .
      The enslaved, which I'd call the low information voters.

      Nicely summarized T. Is this yours, or is there an article from an author or pundit from which this came?

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        Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

        Clinton did not just lower taxes. Specifically in 1993 with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act he signed raising taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of tax payers. It also moved corporate tax from 34% to 35%. Sure, it lowered taxes on the 15 million low income families plus, and it also extended a specific tax cut to 90 percent of small business owners. It was not arbitrary, but what Clinton did was establish a path for increased tax revenue. What Clinton knew was he could not slow spending enough, tax revenue would have to be addressed. What Clinton did not know was how well the dot.com bubble would inflate making for such tax revenues we actually had several years of budget surplus. This dot.com bubble accelerated even with these tax increases on "job creators."

        Bush 43 was not responsible for the financial market deregulation which shifted into high gear the next economic bubble in housing, already well underway. Clinton signed that document as he and Democrats got something out of the deal. All Bush 43 did was sit back and spend far more than we took in in an act of total fiscal irresponsibility. Going to war on the back of tax breaks.

        Each time (for various reasons) that Republicans have lowered taxes they did not stand strong enough on lowering spending (for other various reasons.) Which means with each tax cut, ignoring spending, we saw immediate jumps in this nation's Debt. Reagan was probably first to really divorce the correlation between tax revenues and spending. Bush 41 was second in effectively continuing the pattern. Ultimately Bush 43 tripled downed on the idea. Wouldn't you know it... all three added debt, considered records at their various points in time. This accurately describes what Bush 43 decided to do (working with a Republican 107th, 108th and 109th Congress then Democratic 110th,) and it closely describes what Reagan did (even though he had to work with a Democratic 97th and 100th then split 98th and 99th.)

        Then Obama hit, and everything went further south.

        Immigration is a stance Republicans decided to take to their own determent. For the most part we are talking about Mexican immigrants who by in large are pro-life, pro-family, and pro-religion that today's Republicans have alienated to the Democratic Party. Buch 43 finally got them with NAFTA and other initiatives. Today's "self-deport" and "get out" Republican mentality ended that effort. If Republicans had a plan that was reasonable to deal with immigration they could capture this vote and hold this nation's majority support for the next 5 generations... at least.... but no, they went with a message you'd expect. Division, exclusion, and rather typically compassionless. Good job, one of this nation's largest growing demographics is now solidly Democratic. I guess it should not surprise me seeing Texas try the mow my lawn, take care of my kids, cook my meals, and clean my house approach to citizenship for Mexicans. I kept waiting for Perry to utter that out while on the campaign trail.

        Gun Control, Welfare (entitlements in general), climate, and how we deal with Islam I would somewhat agree with you on.

        However, economics is not something Republicans have any better of a grasp on than Democrats. If you really want to talk about facts then we can talk about GDP growth over the past 30 years and you might be surprised who showed the most economic growth (without adding unsustainable debt to do it.) Just cutting taxes is only one part of the equation, still.

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          Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

          Wlessard, the truth is that not all democrats think like this at all. What you really have is------------>progressive liberals DEFINING conservatives to their constituents which with their definition, scares the hell out of them. Remember, we are racists, homophobes, love the rich, hate the poor, want to destroy the water, the air, food; and the list goes on, and on. Does this sound like a definition of you! How about other conservatives you know! I bet not, but that tells you how well the old saying works............that "if you repeat something over and over again, even if not true, it becomes fact."

          Then you do really have the super low information voter. Just stick something for free in their hand, and you have their vote; especially when they are told that the reason they get it from the democrats and not the republicans is because the republicans are evil, mean, hate the poor, etc, etc.

          We must also realize that the people who put Obama in office and kept him there; those young, young, people between 18 and 30, have never EVER had a conservative lead the country that they can remember. The closest one they had was Reagan, and look how they have re-written history to suggest he sucked. So while we point back to what we lived under him, all they can do is LOOK UP what liberals have written on the internet, and are not to happy with what they see.

          And then you have the republican statists, who don't like the conservative base either. They don't want the democrats in power spending all that money, THEY WANT to be in power spending all that money! (Think GW being the second biggest spender behind Obysmal)

          So then, when you ask how liberals will not admit the truth, I say------------>I do not care cause there isn't that many of them. What I do care about is the young people, the regular democrats, and the independents...................and they aren't going to vote for a statist republican; because why would you vote for a statist republican when you could have the real deal by voting for a democrat? Between the two partys, there is razor thin difference. And since the democratic party is made up of a bunch of special interest groups like enviros, supposedly suppressed minority groups, and people who want free stuff, why would anyone think a mini statist could beat a true statist like Obysmal?

          Let me close by saying something obvious about the difference between young people, and middle aged/older people------------>when someone who is established like US Citizen loses his job, he has a wife, a house, a car, kids, and he/she needs to replace that job making as much, or near as much. THEY NEED the government to make conditions in this country conducive to job growth. But a young person, he/she may not have these bills yet, so a 99 week run on unemployment may not be so bad, summer vacation, a trip to the Bahamas, party time. Therefore, a candidate that can offer them a free ride for almost 2 years, and tell them in the process that anything bad happening to them is caused by the OTHER SIDE, AND the other side is trying to take PARTY TIME AWAY from them, kinda looks good.

          And so, you read this and probably thought to yourself-------------->wait a minute, everything kinda made sense, then you got to US citizen and it all fell apart. He is not for conservative expansion of the economy! He leans left!!!!!!!

          I will explain it this way------------>ever heard the saying...........even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while? Let me state that..........even if he finds that nut once in a while, that doesn't make him fat, dumb, and as happy as the other squirrels; now does it! With all of the complaining he does about the economy, we know a few things for sure-------->he is not fat, he is not happy, but after listening to his talking about not being able to find a decent job, we know for sure......he....sure....is....blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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            Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
            I really do not understand how liberals continue to ignore actual facts and figures that prove them wrong.
            The answer is so simple, it is hard to accept. Liberals are not reality based; they are ideology based. Since they manufacture facts to manipulate, they automatically assume any facts that go against their ideology were, likewise, manipulated facts. When all else fails, their religion, their ideology is held far superior to mere facts, to mere reality. This explains why they are so at ease with playing word games, change the meaning of words to meet their agenda.

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              Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

              There seems to be plenty of that going around.

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                Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                The answer is so simple, it is hard to accept. Liberals are not reality based; they are ideology based. Since they manufacture facts to manipulate, they automatically assume any facts that go against their ideology were, likewise, manipulated facts. When all else fails, their religion, their ideology is held far superior to mere facts, to mere reality. This explains why they are so at ease with playing word games, change the meaning of words to meet their agenda.
                Neither the cons nor the libs are reality based. Both live by an ideology, as if their particular ideology was based upon facts, and more based upon facts that the opposition.

                Political, economic ideology isn't like a hard science. It's a belief, that is formed not by simple facts, but by a world view that is given to these people by other brains. From their values, their world views that has been transmitted to them they then try to find facts to support it, and this turns into an ideology. That each have their own set of facts is the problem. And they believe in those facts as if they were the truth. And that's when the problems start.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                  Maybe they are just plain stupid:

                  http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/09/...-passion-83916

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                    Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    And here we have the entire spectrum of modern liberal ideology.
                    The cynical bastards get elected to higher and higher office, pitching the platitudes to . . .
                    The useful fools, who actually believe their crap and . . . .
                    The enslaved, which I'd call the low information voters.

                    Nicely summarized T. Is this yours, or is there an article from an author or pundit from which this came?
                    100% 'free range' tsquare.

                    No additives (except cigars), no preservatives (other than Scotch)

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                      Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      'Some" (Many? Most?) are...

                      The one's at the top... in and out of government... are not.

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                        Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        Neither the cons nor the libs are reality based.
                        Trying to change the subject of another thread BD? If a thread is asking why is the sky blue, it is a diversion to point out that it is not always blue (like at night).

                        Conservatives are reality based in the approach to limited government. Liberals religion is their political ideology, where their god of government is everywhere and all knowing and all good. I have had many conversations with Liberals and it is clear they just cannot imagine a life where government does not infiltrate every area of life. In the hey day of the feminist movement, the mantra used to be government does not belong in the bedroom (as a means to justify birth control). Now government does belong in the bedroom with the homosexual agenda and Obamacare. To a non-reality based Liberal, the solution to every problem is more government - even those problems caused by government!

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                          Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                          Is there even a point in liberals trying to refute these claims as they will just get shouted down?
                          You guys can continue this pointless conservative circle jerk and moan about just how terrible you think liberals are.

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                            Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                            Is there even a point in liberals trying to refute these claims as they will just get shouted down? You guys can continue this pointless conservative circle jerk and moan about just how terrible you think liberals are.
                            No. Since I sometimes get that "liberal" title around here I tried to respond using a few actual facts concerning the economy. Turns out this is not a thread for facts, which is ironic given the thread title.

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                              Re: Why do liberals turn a blind eye despite facts?

                              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                              No. Since I sometimes get that "liberal" title around here I tried to respond using a few actual facts concerning the economy. Turns out this is not a thread for facts, which is ironic given the thread title.
                              Who argued with your facts or even disputed them?

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