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  • Future Of The Republican Party

    There is an open war in the Republican Party right now and I think it may mean the end of the party as we know it. It may just go the way of the Whigs. On one side you have the Conservatives and on the other the Old Guard Republicans who are little different from Democrats. This budget debacle has pointed out a lot of issues and I don't think they bode well for the Old Guard.

    The Tea Party tried to influence the Old Guard back to Conservative values but the Neo Cons who want a huge powerful government as much as the Democrats do have resisted mightily. I see no way out of it, I think a third party is going to emerge that will split the Republicans into two factions. I think it is a great thing myself. It may deny the Republicans the Presidency for a long time but I think ultimately it will be good for the country.

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    Re: Future Of The Republican Party

    I'll agree but one thing needs to happen first. The Conservatives need to define themselves better. They need to mark out a specific plan for moving the nation forward with a limited central government. The need to come up with a solid alternative for Social Security and Medicare and they need a long term tax plan. They also need to stop getting bogged down on the social issues that really aren't part of anything the government should be involved in to begin with. If they can do that then they will draw independents. If they don't then they will just be another footnote in history.

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      Dan, you don't see the Old Guard being slowly but surely voted out, and the more conservative part of the party gaining more ground and control of the party? Rather than a 3rd party?

      Question is does this transition immediately mandate losses for the party or not? Might it not be the case that this transformation, as it is to the electorate's voting, be a process of picking up more support as opposed to losing it?

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        Re: Future Of The Republican Party

        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        Dan, you don't see the Old Guard being slowly but surely voted out, and the more conservative part of the party gaining more ground and control of the party? Rather than a 3rd party?

        Question is does this transition immediately mandate losses for the party or not? Might it not be the case that this transformation, as it is to the electorate's voting, be a process of picking up more support as opposed to losing it?
        Well, right now, the old guard is starting to fight back against the Conservatives. They are recruiting candidates to run against the Conservatives that replaced the Old Guard Republicans. If the Conservatives continue to win, I can see the possibility that the party could be overtaken but if there are huge amounts of money spent to keep the status quo, it can't happen.

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          Re: Future Of The Republican Party

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          Dan, you don't see the Old Guard being slowly but surely voted out, and the more conservative part of the party gaining more ground and control of the party? Rather than a 3rd party?

          Question is does this transition immediately mandate losses for the party or not? Might it not be the case that this transformation, as it is to the electorate's voting, be a process of picking up more support as opposed to losing it?
          It's kind of happening that way but we still have a bunch of big government money magnets out here that are slowing the progress. When I look at the damage McCain has done to the AZGOP it's disheartening to say the least.

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            Re: Future Of The Republican Party

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            There is an open war in the Republican Party right now and I think it may mean the end of the party as we know it. It may just go the way of the Whigs. On one side you have the Conservatives and on the other the Old Guard Republicans who are little different from Democrats. This budget debacle has pointed out a lot of issues and I don't think they bode well for the Old Guard.

            The Tea Party tried to influence the Old Guard back to Conservative values but the Neo Cons who want a huge powerful government as much as the Democrats do have resisted mightily. I see no way out of it, I think a third party is going to emerge that will split the Republicans into two factions. I think it is a great thing myself. It may deny the Republicans the Presidency for a long time but I think ultimately it will be good for the country.
            For the purpose of this discussion, define Old Guard vs. Conservative Value Republicans pls?

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              Re: Future Of The Republican Party

              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
              For the purpose of this discussion, define Old Guard vs. Conservative Value Republicans pls?
              The Old Guard are the John McCains, Lindsay Grahams, Susan Collins,Mitch McConnel, and now John Cornyns who want big powerful government. They are the type promoted by Rove and Kristol. They are the ones who have no core values, only in favor of what will get them reelected.

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                And Free Trade Eric Cantor who has tripled his wealth in the last few years is representative of the "New Conservatives".
                Yep, I can see LOTS of Republicans who have taken pay cuts or lost their jobs after training their replacements do real well.
                The problem is that the so-called "Grass Roots" movement is comprised of morons who want to do everything in one fell swoop.
                And there's some things, such as adjust the military budget, they won't touch at all.

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                  Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                  And Free Trade Eric Cantor who has tripled his wealth in the last few years is representative of the "New Conservatives".
                  Yep, I can see LOTS of Republicans who have taken pay cuts or lost their jobs after training their replacements do real well.
                  The problem is that the so-called "Grass Roots" movement is comprised of morons who want to do everything in one fell swoop.
                  And there's some things, such as adjust the military budget, they won't touch at all.
                  Why is it that every thread on this forum revolves around you losing your job to someone you trained to replace you?

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                    Re: Future Of The Republican Party

                    This guy pretty well sums it up.

                    PHILLIPS: The last days of the Republican Party

                    The Republican Party will die of suicide by cowardice.
                    Read more: PHILLIPS: The last days of the Republican Party | Washington Times Communities

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                      Re: Future Of The Republican Party

                      Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                      And Free Trade Eric Cantor who has tripled his wealth in the last few years is representative of the "New Conservatives".
                      Yep, I can see LOTS of Republicans who have taken pay cuts or lost their jobs after training their replacements do real well.
                      The problem is that the so-called "Grass Roots" movement is comprised of morons who want to do everything in one fell swoop.
                      And there's some things, such as adjust the military budget, they won't touch at all.
                      The so called grass roots movement is just a burp, which has given some of the cons here great hope fueled by their desires to end SS and Medicare, and to get this thing they call a small gov't. It won't happen, but they think it is possible.

                      All that this burp is doing is dividing the republican party and a divided party like a divided nation will not stand. America will not accept modern conservative governance, because it is simply too painful for too many people. I am not sure that the powers behind the rule, banking and big business will accept the modern conservative either, and if they won't accept them, the game is over.

                      American may lean to the right side of the dividing line, but they don't lean as far right as the modern conservative. And it's delusional to think that we do. I have heard it said that this group now in DC, the tea people are not a continuance of Reagan, but a distortion of Reagan as he was never that radical. And they are radicals, and as radical as the far left loony tunes. Some of them seem to want to see what happens when the debt ceiling isn't adjusted, as they think the prophesies are hype. Yeah, loony tune boys. This part of the republican party is more dangerous than we have seen coming from the republican party.

                      The American people don't want to see SS and Medicare done away with, social safety nets gutted with the only money being spent sent to the defense budget. The pain that is associated with the modern con is something America will not tolerate, no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig. That some think the modern con has a future is the height of delusion, and proves that these people really don't have a grasp upon reality as their hyper ideology is blinding them to reality.

                      The cons, like the dems and the old guard republicans will not fix what is broke when it comes to America's economy. And until that is fixed the debt will continue to grow. It's not a tax and spend problem so much as it is a lack of domestic economic activity that provides a healthy tax base, and keeps americans off of the safety nets. In the past we have been able to grow ourselves out of the deep shit, but that is the past, when we had an industrial economic engine. The only thing we make today is cars and trucks. The cons have no plans to fix the root cause of our problems, in fact they would only make things worse. And yes it can get even worse.

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                        Re: Future Of The Republican Party

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        The so called grass roots movement is just a burp, which has given some of the cons here great hope fueled by their desires to end SS and Medicare, and to get this thing they call a small gov't. It won't happen, but they think it is possible.

                        All that this burp is doing is dividing the republican party and a divided party like a divided nation will not stand. America will not accept modern conservative governance, because it is simply too painful for too many people. I am not sure that the powers behind the rule, banking and big business will accept the modern conservative either, and if they won't accept them, the game is over.

                        American may lean to the right side of the dividing line, but they don't lean as far right as the modern conservative. And it's delusional to think that we do. I have heard it said that this group now in DC, the tea people are not a continuance of Reagan, but a distortion of Reagan as he was never that radical. And they are radicals, and as radical as the far left loony tunes. Some of them seem to want to see what happens when the debt ceiling isn't adjusted, as they think the prophesies are hype. Yeah, loony tune boys. This part of the republican party is more dangerous than we have seen coming from the republican party.

                        The American people don't want to see SS and Medicare done away with, social safety nets gutted with the only money being spent sent to the defense budget. The pain that is associated with the modern con is something America will not tolerate, no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig. That some think the modern con has a future is the height of delusion, and proves that these people really don't have a grasp upon reality as their hyper ideology is blinding them to reality.

                        The cons, like the dems and the old guard republicans will not fix what is broke when it comes to America's economy. And until that is fixed the debt will continue to grow. It's not a tax and spend problem so much as it is a lack of domestic economic activity that provides a healthy tax base, and keeps americans off of the safety nets. In the past we have been able to grow ourselves out of the deep shit, but that is the past, when we had an industrial economic engine. The only thing we make today is cars and trucks. The cons have no plans to fix the root cause of our problems, in fact they would only make things worse. And yes it can get even worse.
                        Say what you want and blame who you want but it is social programs that have brought us to the brink of economic collapse and until something is done about them, we will be in jeopardy of complete economic failure. Would you rather endure some gradual pain or do you want it all at once?

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                          Re: Future Of The Republican Party

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          The Old Guard are the John McCains, Lindsay Grahams, Susan Collins,Mitch McConnel, and now John Cornyns who want big powerful government. They are the type promoted by Rove and Kristol. They are the ones who have no core values, only in favor of what will get them reelected.
                          The reason I ask is when someone says "Old Guard" I tend to think about the Republicans (and southern Democrats) that faught against the New Deal. The same group that was against the rise of the progressive culture and the shift from a republic to a democracy. Stood for State's rights and so forth. It seems that definition has shifted slightly to be something at odds with social conservatism ("core values.") I would argue this in a manner that Lutherf started to.

                          In my opinion what the Tea Party revealed was that the Republicans in general abandoned their minimal government principles lost in the haze, perhaps a shift starting somewhere back around Nixon or Reagan's time in office. Does not matter if we are talking about even Nixon, or Reagan, or Bush 41, or Bush 43 they all saw increases in government size as measured by spending, and really Total Debt during their times in office. Even as measured by a percentage of GDP Nixon, Bush 41 and Bush 43 all still saw increases in government size as measured by spending. I would then say that fueled the Tea Party to really start their "grass roots" efforts back in 2004 (ish.) Perhaps on the premise of Clinton's mix of tax increases and decreases elsewhere, but the point is Republicans discarded any claim to fiscal responsibility even with what happened between Clinton and Republicans in Congress at that time.

                          Pushing for familiy values, anti-gay this and that, women in the workplace became bottom of the list of priorities where as government being downsized, spending going down, deficits being erased, and Total Debt going down shot to the top. Republicans showed they could not do this during the remainder of Bush 43's term and of course Obama's spend crazy terms thus far. I would say the Tea Party showed a conflict between social conservatism (absent of fiscal conservatism) and minimal government (almost libertarian.) Even though we know the Tea Party to be hypocritical as a significant percentage of them still want Social Security, Medicare, "strong military," etc. Otherwise known as spending.

                          It puts the Republican Party at a real juncture in the road. Go with the Tea Party type message or the SE social conservative vote. I am not sure they can do both any longer given they did not even bother trying with running McCain in 2008 then Romney in 2012. Two parties may be the answer, but Republicans are dying a slow death as is. Anytime a social conservative speaks it is confirmed, same as anytime a "moderate" is ran on the national stage. What is left of the party is money and no identity.

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                            Re: Future Of The Republican Party

                            Another perspective on how terrible the Republican Party is these days. No identity, no consistency, divided as ever, but with plenty of money.

                            As congressional Republicans sink in popular opinion, GOP governors -- including some who might contend for their party’s presidential nomination in 2016 -- are happily using the opportunity to differentiate themselves from their beleaguered colleagues on Capitol Hill.

                            A record 70 percent of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans in Congress are handling their jobs, according to the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, but outside Washington, Republican governors’ are faring much better.

                            New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is cruising to re-election in deep-blue New Jersey by a 34-point margin over his Democratic challenger. Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder enjoys a 49-39 percent favorable/unfavorable rating in a state President Barack Obama carried easily last fall, and other Republican governors in blue states -- John Kasich in Ohio and Scott Walker in Wisconsin among them -- have stayed afloat as well.

                            In short, Republican governors are succeeding where their counterparts on Capitol Hill are failing. And that’s why it’s pretty difficult right now to find GOP governors willing to praise their party’s antics in Congress.

                            Christie put it especially succinctly in an interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer’s editors on Friday: “If I was in the Senate right now, I’d kill myself.”
                            GOP governors separate themselves from an unpopular party - NBC Politics

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                              Re: Future Of The Republican Party

                              The under reported point being that states, even blue ones, with a Republican govonors are healing from the liberal / progressive budget mess left them.

                              Need something similar at the fed. level.

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