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  • #46
    Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
    The OP is written to show that sedicious and violent rhetoric of teh right-wing in this country can be taken seriously - by anybody - and terrible things can be the result. Now, of course that have no problem linking the views of the old weather underground to some sort of terrorism. This too is an act of terrorism put upon by a political zealot. The man acted with premeditiation, called TSA agents traitors, used the temr of a New World Order: [i]made a distinction between a civilian and a TSA (government agent), and let the civilian live.

    Crazy as a loon? I don't know; he has shown o history of it. A disturbed man in some sort of crises? Maybe: teh guy dressed in fatigues; the better to blend in, or persent himself as a combatant . . . The righties here want to pusha the story point as I've listed them, but it's all coming on daily over the wires.

    It all happened as a result of their right-wing's stupid rhetoric. So the point is very clear: no violent rhetoric; no problem.
    How about a couple of examples of this rhetoric that advocates going into an airport and shooting TSA agents? If it is as widespread as you allege, you shouldn't have a big problem posting a few quotes. And I don't want allegations of such talk from mediamatters or motherjones.

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    • #47
      Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

      Originally posted by jet57 View Post
      (chuckle)

      No; rhetoric I don't like must stand accountable.
      Where is that stated in the Constitution?

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      • #48
        Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

        Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
        And rhetoric you like needs not?
        Absolutely it should. If the rhetoric sounds harmful and dangerous and is acted upon in a fasion that kills or injures people; of course it should, and its political leaders should stand accountable as well.

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        • #49
          Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

          Originally posted by Good1 View Post
          Where is that stated in the Constitution?
          I have openly challenged you on the Cosntitution and you ran away with your tail between your legs.

          Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that seditionists and right-wing zealots may kill agents of the government because that person believes them to be traitors.

          This guy cut a hole in the bottom of a carry on and the top of a suitcase, and put together he was able to conceal his rifle. So this is looking more and more like the premeditated act of a right-wing zealot.

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          • #50
            Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

            Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
            LOL, spoken like an administration official.
            Spoken like someone whose afraid to make a cogent comment on the subject.

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            • #51
              Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

              Originally posted by jet57 View Post
              This guy cut a hole in the bottom of a carry on and the top of a suitcase, and put together he was able to conceal his rifle. So this is looking more and more like the premeditated act of a right-wing zealot.
              Of course it was a premeditated act. What were you expecting, that he arrived at the airport intending to fly to Boise, suddenly discovered a rifle in his bag and thought "well, hell, since I'm here might as well shoot some TSA guy"?

              Seriously, your transparent desperation to take this lone idiot's action and use it as a lever to silence a political sentiment you don't like it getting pretty silly.

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              • #52
                Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                I’ve posted this thread under Poltical Movements because I think that is where it belongs as an example of extremist politics that people should worry about.

                So here we are, this time with another shooting in a public place that appears to have a definite political motive behind it: “a patriot thought that his constitutional rights were being violated, and authorities have said that he was anti-government.

                As LAX shooting unfolded, NJ father called police - SFGate

                Now, I know that if this person claimed to be an angry socialist or some other type of left wing individual, the right on this forum would be all over this story; connecting it to The Weather Underground and some sort of Obama supporting juggernaut trying to usher in a new police state.

                This time we have proof of it going the other way around. One of the right-wingers here started a thread that asked: how long do we have to wait until peace doesn’t work anymore? So, I ask; is this what you’re talking about? Is this what the right-wing means by defeating tyranny and owning an AR15 with 150 rounds to as Ben Shapiro puts it to defeat a government that has turned to usurptation? I mean, this is what right-wing radio calls for; stand up and fight to defeat the tyranny of government! Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, G.Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity and Alex Jones tell Americans that they must stand up for the constitution and defeat government takeover.

                Some of you will complain that this thread is insensitive and takes a tragic happening way out of context etc etc. But I say not so. I have said many times, that if there is any threat to the 2nd Amendment, it is the right-wing that is bringing it on. I am also holding the right-wing’s feet to the fire here: is this one of your brave patriotic Americans, who has simply ramped up a demonstration of unwillingness to lose his constitutional rights? Is his the first shot in the new American Revolution?

                Should he not be hailed as hero willing to die for his patriotic beliefs? By attacking the socialist takeover of America?

                Isn’t this what you right-wingers want? Strong and serious patriotic Americans who will fight for The Constitution?
                I do not think the connection is quite what you think it is. It does not matter if we are talking about a right leaning person willing to do this at LAX or the Fort Hood shooter who was a registered Democrat. Either way we are talking the worst example and applying it to the whole group, and that would be irrational.

                I would suspect that even the most Constitutional Libertarian would not look at this LAX shooter as some sort of hero. This LAX shooter is not brave nor someone to emulate. I also doubt this is the first shot of a new American Revolution, nor do I see all that many of these groups asking for such.

                For your connection to even be plausible we would have to be seeing more evidence of mainstream right wing groups asking for this sort of violence. Groups saying to find government representatives and employees of any sort and fire upon them at will. It is just not happening, the majority of your "right wing" connection here are only interested in changing who is at the helm, then working their way down on agencies they deem we do not need. "Taking our country back" does not always equate to being by force.

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                • #53
                  Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                  You guys realize this "new world order" shit is what the occutards talk about right? The illuminati controls everything, obama is taking over the world crap. The occutards being far far far far FARRRRR lefty's? you get that, right jet?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                    I have openly challenged you on the Cosntitution and you ran away with your tail between your legs.

                    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that seditionists and right-wing zealots may kill agents of the government because that person believes them to be traitors.

                    This guy cut a hole in the bottom of a carry on and the top of a suitcase, and put together he was able to conceal his rifle. So this is looking more and more like the premeditated act of a right-wing zealot.
                    SPEAKING of running away with your tail between your legs, homey, I didn't ask you anything about the Constitutional authority of seditionists.

                    MY question was to your insistence that the rhetoric you don't like must be held accountable...

                    SO, again:

                    Jet-boy: No; rhetoric I don't like must stand accountable.
                    Good1: Where is that stated in the Constitution?

                    will you run away again, or stand and answer the question.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                      Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                      I do not think the connection is quite what you think it is. It does not matter if we are talking about a right leaning person willing to do this at LAX or the Fort Hood shooter who was a registered Democrat. Either way we are talking the worst example and applying it to the whole group, and that would be irrational.

                      I would suspect that even the most Constitutional Libertarian would not look at this LAX shooter as some sort of hero. This LAX shooter is not brave nor someone to emulate. I also doubt this is the first shot of a new American Revolution, nor do I see all that many of these groups asking for such.

                      For your connection to even be plausible we would have to be seeing more evidence of mainstream right wing groups asking for this sort of violence. Groups saying to find government representatives and employees of any sort and fire upon them at will. It is just not happening, the majority of your "right wing" connection here are only interested in changing who is at the helm, then working their way down on agencies they deem we do not need. "Taking our country back" does not always equate to being by force.
                      He still has been unable to provide any examples of this inflammatory rhetoric that he claims comes from the Right Wing.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        He still has been unable to provide any examples of this inflammatory rhetoric that he claims comes from the Right Wing.
                        All he has to do is quote you.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                          Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                          All he has to do is quote you.
                          OK, quote me. Where have I ever advocated taking a rifle onto an airport and shooting TSA Agents?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            OK, quote me. Where have I ever advocated taking a rifle onto an airport and shooting TSA Agents?
                            Check out the French Revolution...
                            What happens when you keep telling people they're stupid and lazy?

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                            • #59
                              Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                              Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                              Check out the French Revolution...
                              What happens when you keep telling people they're stupid and lazy?
                              See, I knew you couldn't any more than Jet can. You all make a lot of noise but you don't say much.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                                Originally posted by jet57 View Post

                                This guy cut a hole in the bottom of a carry on and the top of a suitcase, and put together he was able to conceal his rifle. So this is looking more and more like the premeditated act of a right-wing zealot.
                                Bill Ayers bombed federal buildings and Jarrad Loughner shot Gabby Giffords. Does that make him a right wing zealot?

                                Why are federal security employees more important than the general public?

                                The shooters at Columbine, Fort Hood, Virginia Tech, Colorado theater, and Sandy Hook Elementary were all Democrat or their families were Democrat. Are they right wing terrorists also?

                                Just because this idiot went hunting for TSA employees does not make this political. Where is your proof? He may have been upset about getting molested by the TSA the last time he flew to Los Angeles. I hope this turns out to be the case. Any other scenario causes the TSA to militarize and violate our liberties further.

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