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  • #76
    Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
    Well, here's a reference for ya:
    American President: George H. W. Bush: Foreign Affairs

    all you have to do is plunk GHW Bush and New World Order into Google and you'll get a whole bunch of results. I very well remember him talking about this.

    Secondly, The Knight's Templar had nothing to do with such nonsense. And as for the founding fathers, I have no idea what you're talking about.

    So, check your position at the door . . .
    The bolded really illustrates my point the best, I think.

    god damnit. READ THE LINKS. READ THE LINKS!
    Go back to my post and read the links I provided you with. YOU need to check YOUR position at the door because if what you're going on is fucking HANNITY you're not in possession of all of the facts of belief involved with this position IE you have no idea what you are talking about and I've tried to say that nicely like 4 different ways AND provide you with a means of correcting your ignorance. Please do so now.

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    • #77
      Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

      Originally posted by jet57 View Post
      Ahh, so you are coming around. Good.

      Now, let's look at the next logical step: it is unreasonable, given the circumstances to say that teh shooter was not motivated by the rhetoric of the radical right in this country and its media machine. Therefore, it is also unreasonable to assume that upholders of the radical right-wing rhetoric in this country do not hold a latent responsibility for this man's actions, and that maybe it would now be appropriate for such rhetoric to be dialed down a bit and hold more credible positions.
      The fact that you think that post meant I was "coming around" means you don't understand plain english. I was being INCREDULOUS towards your position, AND showing that even were this person motivated by "right wing" ideology, which its not becuase the NWO thing is NOT a right wing ideology, they would be what a reasonable person would call "insane" or "crazy".

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      • #78
        Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

        Originally posted by reality View Post
        The bolded really illustrates my point the best, I think.

        god damnit. READ THE LINKS. READ THE LINKS!
        Go back to my post and read the links I provided you with. YOU need to check YOUR position at the door because if what you're going on is fucking HANNITY you're not in possession of all of the facts of belief involved with this position IE you have no idea what you are talking about and I've tried to say that nicely like 4 different ways AND provide you with a means of correcting your ignorance. Please do so now.
        Yeah, look; I knw all about that hoo-haa. The point that I was making to you, is that people from your own ideolgy, namely GHW Bush have thrown that phrase around and want us to take it seriously. So who knows what this shooter meant. So far he doesn't seem to insane, but rather acting out as I've already stated. I just find it very troubling.

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        • #79
          Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

          Originally posted by jet57 View Post
          Yeah, look; I knw all about that hoo-haa. The point that I was making to you, is that people from your own ideolgy, namely GHW Bush have thrown that phrase around and want us to take it seriously. So who knows what this shooter meant. So far he doesn't seem to insane, but rather acting out as I've already stated. I just find it very troubling.
          Its not MY ideology. I'm not left or right wing, I'm sane and not interested in obstructing the individual liberties of others.

          New World Order was also the name of a WWE wrestling federation.. Should we take that into account too?
          Again, read the fricking links I gave you. It explains the ENTIRE theory IN TOTO without a lot of MSM bullshitting. Not saying that that theory is anything other than crazy, but that IS the theory in its whole form. You're hanging on to a version that does not exist because you've crafted it yourself from something you heard off hannity and then did no further research on so you could make a "look cons are bad" thread like they make "look libs are bad " threads.

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          • #80
            Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

            Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
            ???

            Because going off and killing innocent people is a sane kind of thing?

            I really don't recall anybody of consequence on the right suggesting "go after the TSA with guns". In fact I'm pretty sure that all the "from my cold, dead hands" is with regard to taking defensive action, not offensive action.
            Soldiers and mobsters do it all the time. It happens in crimes of passion as well. When it happens through the act of sane person; the motivation is given serious credibility in his trial, and when such a person is convicted, they don't go into isntitutions, they go into state prisons where they are usually poisoned to death some 25 years later.

            My point is that I find it very troubling that someone acted out on radical rhetoric and the right-wing just brushes it off. You and I both know that if the shoe were on the other foot, the right-wing would be all over it.

            I'm not just trying to provocative, or make light of a tragic event; nor am I trying to make political point. What I'm doing is pointing out a tragic incident that took seriously the rhetoric of G Gordon Liddy, et al. This is same rhetoric that says a freak Chritian minister who burns a Quran is just an isolated incident and does not reflect on Christianity, but when sme utter horribly disturbed and lonely individual straps ona bomb and runs into a crowded place and kills 60 more innocent people, including children, according the right-wing, it's because he belonged to a dirty religion run be anti-American Islamo fascists.

            It is one helluva contradiction and we can see it played out right here in this thread. And that's my point.
            Last edited by jet57; 11-04-2013, 03:32 PM.

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            • #81
              Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

              Originally posted by reality View Post
              Its not MY ideology. I'm not left or right wing, I'm sane and not interested in obstructing the individual liberties of others.

              New World Order was also the name of a WWE wrestling federation.. Should we take that into account too?
              Again, read the fricking links I gave you. It explains the ENTIRE theory IN TOTO without a lot of MSM bullshitting. Not saying that that theory is anything other than crazy, but that IS the theory in its whole form. You're hanging on to a version that does not exist because you've crafted it yourself from something you heard off hannity and then did no further research on so you could make a "look cons are bad" thread like they make "look libs are bad " threads.
              No dude: I'm not hanging onto any version of NWO. I'm taking into account what teh shooter said and linking it to anti govenment (as was the shooter) right-wing rhetoric.

              You're going waaaay out this way and waaaay out that way to try and tell me about some theory, and you're linking it to Templars and Free Masonry nad that tells me everything I need to know about your position on it. I linked two current sources of conservative America to that phrase who think (we) should hear it. They didn't talk about in reference to the illuminate or anybody else. And neither am I. I'm suggesting that shooter took it perhaps the same way that Hannity and Bush did, and right now there isn't anything to say that that is not the case.

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              • #82
                Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                No dude: I'm not hanging onto any version of NWO. I'm taking into account what teh shooter said and linking it to anti govenment (as was the shooter) right-wing rhetoric.

                You're going waaaay out this way and waaaay out that way to try and tell me about some theory, and you're linking it to Templars and Free Masonry nad that tells me everything I need to know about your position on it. I linked two current sources of conservative America to that phrase who think (we) should hear it. They didn't talk about in reference to the illuminate or anybody else. And neither am I. I'm suggesting that shooter took it perhaps the same way that Hannity and Bush did, and right now there isn't anything to say that that is not the case.
                Like I said, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. I've tried to help you. You won't read the links and note that YOUR POSITION is incorrect. NWO is NOT a right wing ideology.

                Here. This is my last attempt at discussing this with you. Read this link, and EDUCATE yourself on the topic that you are discussing. New World Order is not anything Bush came up with. Its not anything Obama came up with either.
                D.L. Cuddy: Chronological History of the New World Order
                You could of course google all this yourself.

                NWO is about one world government put in place by... wait for it..... wait for it........ SOCIALISTS through the use of the UN.
                Both Republican AND Democrat officials (some of them presidents including bush, wilson, nixon, truman ) have been involved with this, supposedly, all "exposed" through comments where they mention "a new world order". There are RIGHT WING guys pushing this, NOT railing against it. It is NOT a right wing ideology. The CT is about a one world government formed by THE UN. If that is not insane, I don't know WHAT IS.

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                • #83
                  Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                  Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                  Spoken like someone whose afraid to make a cogent comment on the subject.

                  Being afraid is the furthest thing from my mind; it’s just hard to make an intelligent comment on such a moronic topic.

                  Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                  Now we have a real scenario, where a an anti government patriot has taken the radical right-wing rhetoric to its fullest extent and has acted on it. And the more this story stars coming out, the more and ore it's looking like me version of this thing is right on the money. So, why doesn't the radical right take some responsibility in this for incitment of an act llike this? This is the real deal isn't it? They blame planned parenthood and Democrats because some scared little girl who gets pregnant is so afraid that she seeks an abortion, for health, protection of some other reason, and according to the right, she's a baby killer. So why doesn't the same thing carry on in this instance? "Oh he's just a sick individual; we had had nothing to do with this! But when some sick son of a bitch strsps a bomb to himself and walks into an airport adn blows himself up, it happened "because he's a Muslim America hating Islamo Fascist! and Barack Obama loves and supports Islam"!

                  No, this is a real scenario only in your own twisted mind (which explains why no one else on the board is supporting your position). Trying to taint a significant percentage of the US population with the actions of a lone nut job is imbecilic. It would be like trying to use Obama-obsessed Amy Bishop to paint all left wingers, like you, as murders-in-waiting. I suppose you also believe the Southern Poverty Law Center should be labeled as a hate group for aiding Floyd Lee Corkins in selecting a target for his shooting; lest you be the hypocrite you’re trying to make out the right wing to be. If it’s ever found that Paul Ciancia conducted this attack as part of a plan devised by a right wing group or organization, then you may have a point; but with the little information that’s currently known, this is just an asinine rant by a hate-monger.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                    I'm taking into account what teh shooter said and linking it to anti govenment (as was the shooter) right-wing rhetoric.
                    You realize anti-government is how this country was founded, right? You realize we did not emerge from tyranny by winning a majority of votes, right? And you do realize linking the guilty to the innocent is neither the American nor Christian way, right?

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                    • #85
                      Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                      Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                      Ahh, so you are coming around. Good.

                      Now, let's look at the next logical step: it is unreasonable, given the circumstances to say that teh shooter was not motivated by the rhetoric of the radical right in this country and its media machine. Therefore, it is also unreasonable to assume that upholders of the radical right-wing rhetoric in this country do not hold a latent responsibility for this man's actions, and that maybe it would now be appropriate for such rhetoric to be dialed down a bit and hold more credible positions.
                      Since you bring Hannity up a lot, I think it would be appropriate if you would find an example of Hannity inciting violence. With the casual way you've stated it it seems as if it would be easy to find a youtube clip of him doing it. I don't watch cable news so I wouldn't know if he did or not. I just want to see evidence of what you're saying.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                        Originally posted by reality View Post
                        The fact that you think that post meant I was "coming around" means you don't understand plain english. I was being INCREDULOUS towards your position, AND showing that even were this person motivated by "right wing" ideology, which its not becuase the NWO thing is NOT a right wing ideology, they would be what a reasonable person would call "insane" or "crazy".
                        I'm going to have to contradict you here, reality. I think the NWO thing is from both sides. As someone who grew up in a conservative Christian home I've known about the NWO thing for quite a while. It's a big part of Christian theology, really. It all comes down to the anti-Christ and the one world government he sets up while deceiving everyone. If I was forced to pick one side or the other I'd say that it's more right than left.

                        There, jet57, we agree on something.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                          Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                          No dude: I'm not hanging onto any version of NWO. I'm taking into account what teh shooter said and linking it to anti govenment (as was the shooter) right-wing rhetoric.
                          jet57....you realize that "anti-government" is more of a far left thing than right? I mean, the most you get from far right is limited government. Yes, you get anti-big government or socialist style government but not full out anti-government. That is the realm of the far left. The far left is the realm of idealistic communism and subsistence communes and all that jazz.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                            Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                            It's not turning out to be the case that his note was mish-mash or confused at all: this guy took his time. The point is; the violent and sedicious radcial right-wing rhetoric has been taken seriously by someone, and I find that to be a biiiiig problem.

                            What is even more disturbing is how the right-wing here just brushes it off ans says he's crazy. He doesn't seem to be crazy.
                            A gunman walked into a Paramus, NJ Mall and opened fire last night. He shot up into the air so as not to hurt anyone and, then, the police found him still in the mall, but dead by his own hand.

                            So clearly willing to make a statement but not be held accountable for it and, then, not willing to pay the consequences for his actions, he must have been a liberal pushed to his actions by the seditious, hate-speech of Harry reid and Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi.

                            In the words of the immortal Jimmy Malong (The Untouchables, 1986),

                            Now what are ye prepared to do

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                            • #89
                              Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                              Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                              I'm going to have to contradict you here, reality. I think the NWO thing is from both sides. As someone who grew up in a conservative Christian home I've known about the NWO thing for quite a while. It's a big part of Christian theology, really. It all comes down to the anti-Christ and the one world government he sets up while deceiving everyone. If I was forced to pick one side or the other I'd say that it's more right than left.

                              There, jet57, we agree on something.
                              That's the thing though. Repub presidents and officials and DEM same are indicated in this. (note note note note note I do NOT buy this tripe. I've just had to discuss it with occudumbasses at length) Its not so much a side pushing the discussion about it either for or against. At least not a "side" like left or right wing. If anyone is said to be pushing FOR it would be this shadowy "open conspiracy" which has included both right and left wingers, allegedly. If anyone is said to be pushing AGAINST it would be anarchists/voluntarists/occupy fringies, because they are the only ones who buy into it.
                              The raised in a christian home thing is more a product of your religion (rather than your parents political affiliation) which, and please don't be offended by this, is closer to communism than anything else if the early church is any indicator (pre-council of nicea).

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                              • #90
                                Re: Government Tyranny and the LAX Shooting

                                Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                                jet57....you realize that "anti-government" is more of a far left thing than right? I mean, the most you get from far right is limited government. Yes, you get anti-big government or socialist style government but not full out anti-government. That is the realm of the far left. The far left is the realm of idealistic communism and subsistence communes and all that jazz.
                                South park did the best sketch on this. The one with the hippies.

                                "College know it all hippie" talking to kyle and stan
                                Hippie: Can't you imagine a place where people like traded goods and services with other people who had DIFFERENT goods and services? Like a guy could make bread, and another guy could build houses.
                                Stan: You mean like a town?
                                Hippie: Nah man like a place where people lived and worked together for common ends, and like helped each other do stuff, and like had community funds to use for improving the place?
                                Stan: Yeah. You mean a town.

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