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  • Everything Obama Is Not...

    Even were this person a Democrat, I would be forced to support them...

    (Not holding my breath on a Democrat coming even close to this type of thing... see the last paragraph)

    Note: All emphasis is mine and mine alone

    I am ambling running suggests unseemly ardor for president. It is axiomatic that anyone who nowadays will do what is necessary in order to become president thereby reveals character traits, including delusions of adequacy and obsessive compulsive disorder, that should disqualify him or her from proximity to powers concentrated in the executive branch. Therefore, my campaign will initially consist of driving around the Obnoxiously Entitled Four Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada trying to interest their 3.8 percent of Americas population in a minimalist president.

    Candidates are constantly asked, Where will you take the country? My answer is: Nowhere. The country is not a parcel to be taken anywhere. It is the spontaneous order of 316 million people making billions of daily decisions, cooperatively contracting together, moving the country in gloriously unplanned directions.

    To another inane question, How will you create jobs?, my answer will be: I wont. Other than by doing whatever the chief executive can to reduce the regulatory states impediments to industriousness. I will administer no major economic regulations those with $100 million economic impacts that Congress has not voted on. Legislators should be explicitly complicit in burdens they mandate.

    Congress, defined by the Constitutions Article I, is properly the first, the initiating branch of government. So, I will veto no bill merely because I disagree with the policy it implements. I will wield the veto power only on constitutional grounds when Congress legislates beyond its constitutionally enumerated powers, correctly construed, as they have not been since the New Deal. So I expect to cast more vetoes than the 2,564 cast by all previous presidents.

    My judicial nominees will seek to narrow Congresss use of its power to regulate commerce as an excuse for minutely regulating Americans lives. My nominees will broaden the judicial recognition of Americans privileges or immunities, the rights of national citizenship mentioned in the 14th Amendment and the unenumerated rights referred to by the Ninth.

    In a radio address to the nation, President Franklin Roosevelt urged Americans to tell him their troubles. Please do not tell me yours. Tell them to your spouse, friends, clergy not to a politician who is far away, who doesnt know you and whose job description does not include Empathizer in Chief. I feel your pain, Bill Clinton vowed. I wont insult your intelligence by similarly pretending to feel yours.

    A congenial society is one in which most people most of the time, and all politicians almost all of the time, say, when asked about almost everything: This is none of my business. If as president I am asked what I think about the death of a rock star, or the imbecilic opinions of rich blowhards who own professional sports teams, I will say: Americans should have no interest in my thoughts about such things, if I had any. I will try not to come to the attention of any television camera more than once a week, and only that often if I am convinced that I can speak without violating what will be my administrations motto: Dont speak unless you can improve the silence.

    I will not ruin any more American evenings with televised State of the Union addresses. I will mail my thoughts on that subject to Congress from time to time, as the Constitution directs. This was good enough for Jefferson and every subsequent president until Woodrow Wilson, the first president who believed, as progressives do, that the nation cannot function without constant presidential tutoring and hectoring.

    This country has waged many wars since it last actually declared war, on June 5, 1942, against Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary. If it is necessary to use military force, I shall, if exigencies permit, give Congress the pleasure of collaboration.

    Finally, there have been 44 presidencies before the one I moderately aspire to administer, and there will be many more than 44 after it. Mine will be a success if, a century hence, Americans remember me as dimly as they remember Grover Cleveland, the last Democratic president with proper understanding of this offices place in our constitutional order.
    Now who here, other than our hard core leftists, wouldn't support a candidate like this?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...7b9_story.html

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    Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
    Even were this person a Democrat, I would be forced to support them...

    (Not holding my breath on a Democrat coming even close to this type of thing... see the last paragraph)

    Note: All emphasis is mine and mine alone



    Now who here, other than our hard core leftists, wouldn't support a candidate like this?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...7b9_story.html
    If you take all the emotion out of politics, liberals will have nothing.

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    • #3
      Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      Even were this person a Democrat, I would be forced to support them...

      (Not holding my breath on a Democrat coming even close to this type of thing... see the last paragraph)

      Note: All emphasis is mine and mine alone



      Now who here, other than our hard core leftists, wouldn't support a candidate like this?

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...7b9_story.html
      I have always admired George Will and I like his thinking on a lot of issues. You've cheery picked the article however to fit your thinking and it disrupts the character of the anonymous candidate that is featured. I'm too crazy about the deregulation spirit simply because with all of this deregulation craze, the specific regulations are never featured, so I dig in my heels because of that. The attitude of letting the country run itself however is an attractive one as a machine like this has had that capability since we declared independence. The idea of presidential noninterference does put new twist on it.

      If such a candidate ran and was as much pro labor as anti regulation: or a nice balance of both, then I would vote for that person.

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      • #4
        Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        If you take all the emotion out of politics, liberals will have nothing.
        Well true enough... except for a lust for power, irrational thought, and a smug arrogance of their knowing better how to run your life.

        You see much of that here below...

        Originally posted by jet57 View Post
        I have always admired George Will and I like his thinking on a lot of issues. You've cheery picked the article however to fit your thinking and it disrupts the character of the anonymous candidate that is featured. I'm too crazy about the deregulation spirit simply because with all of this deregulation craze, the specific regulations are never featured, so I dig in my heels because of that. The attitude of letting the country run itself however is an attractive one as a machine like this has had that capability since we declared independence. The idea of presidential noninterference does put new twist on it.

        If such a candidate ran and was as much pro labor as anti regulation: or a nice balance of both, then I would vote for that person.
        "as much pro labor as anti regulation" in your head 'pro labor' has to mean regulations... minimum wage, more work rules (paid leave) etc, etc, oh and placing even more restrictions on companies that you are trying to organize.

        Thus as I pointed out above... your post meets all those criteria: lust for power, irrational thought, and a smug arrogance

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        • #5
          Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
          Well true enough... except for a lust for power, irrational thought, and a smug arrogance of their knowing better how to run your life.

          You see much of that here below...



          "as much pro labor as anti regulation" in your head 'pro labor' has to mean regulations... minimum wage, more work rules (paid leave) etc, etc, oh and placing even more restrictions on companies that you are trying to organize.

          Thus as I pointed out above... your post meets all those criteria: lust for power, irrational thought, and a smug arrogance
          And again: uh, no. Working conditions are not work rules, the company sets it's own rules. Nor are they regulations. I would suggest to you more reading and a little less smug arrogance.

          Moreover, you repsonse is way off topic: I said I would vote for such a candidate with said requirement. I also said; per your topic that becasue regulations are never named specifically, I dig in my heels. A broad brushed anti regulation agends is not healthy for the country or for business. If we could narrow down the regulations then we'd have a placec to start.

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            Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

            Originally posted by jet57 View Post
            And again: uh, no. Working conditions are not work rules, the company sets it's own rules. Nor are they regulations. I would suggest to you more reading and a little less smug arrogance.

            Moreover, you repsonse is way off topic: I said I would vote for such a candidate with said requirement. I also said; per your topic that becasue regulations are never named specifically, I dig in my heels. A broad brushed anti regulation agends is not healthy for the country or for business. If we could narrow down the regulations then we'd have a placec to start.
            By what you ask of this candidate (more labor friendly) they would not be the candidate that Mr Will asks for.

            What part of 'hands off' wasn't clear?

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            • #7
              Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

              Originally posted by tsquare View Post
              By what you ask of this candidate (more labor friendly) they would not be the candidate that Mr Will asks for.

              What part of 'hands off' wasn't clear?
              The candidate is anti regulatory; that's not hands off. Pro labor means just that: he speaks favorably about labor.

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              • #8
                Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                Simply put .. Obama is not a leader, does not have any testicles and is like any other politician -- many promises but not a lot of follow-up (aka .. failed promises).

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                • #9
                  Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                  Originally posted by jotathought View Post
                  Simply put .. Obama is not a leader, does not have any testicles and is like any other politician -- many promises but not a lot of follow-up (aka .. failed promises).
                  And this has what exactly to do with the topic? Or is this a decisvely random anti Obama comment.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                    Grover Cleveland believed in minimizing regulations based on the hypothesis that business would properly regulate itself. Tycoons of his time proved they were unwilling to bow to economic principles, let alone regulations.

                    McKinley succeeded the reckless Democrat Cleveland, and by the end of his term, this Republican president had been preparing a study on how to properly regulate business. His VP, Theodore Roosevelt, followed thru on historical observations after becoming president, by pushing the first widespread anti-trust acts. Unfortunately, the pendulum swung back to the loose regulation model by the 1920's. One should never blindly trust large groups of humans to act any way they wish without regulation. Especially when they have proven their willingness to "game the system", as trust Tycoons did before McKinley and TR applied the first brakes.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                      ...Now, if you had a libertarian candidate that actually proved he would consistently imprison tycoons for long sentences, when they violate economic principles, we'd have a deal. But Grover Cleveland was not that candidate. Not even close. Come up with a state governor who proves his worth on this issue.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                        Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                        And this has what exactly to do with the topic? Or is this a decisvely random anti Obama comment.
                        Well .. if I read the topic of the thread, it clearly states, "Everything Obama is Not," so I was merely stating characteristics that Obama does not possess. Seems pretty on-topic to me.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                          If you have to tell people...

                          I'm NOT WEAK: Obama hits back at foreign policy critics as he vows...
                          Then... you've pretty much lost the issue, don't you think?


                          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-rebels.html

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                          • #14
                            Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                            Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                            I have always admired George Will and I like his thinking on a lot of issues. You've cheery picked the article however to fit your thinking and it disrupts the character of the anonymous candidate that is featured. I'm too crazy about the deregulation spirit simply because with all of this deregulation craze, the specific regulations are never featured, so I dig in my heels because of that. The attitude of letting the country run itself however is an attractive one as a machine like this has had that capability since we declared independence. The idea of presidential noninterference does put new twist on it.

                            If such a candidate ran and was as much pro labor as anti regulation: or a nice balance of both, then I would vote for that person.
                            But he DID define which regulations this candidate would de-regulate:
                            to reduce the regulatory state’s impediments to industriousness
                            So this candidate is not campaigning on removing all regulations: Only those that impede industriousness.

                            With that, I have no special need for this candidate to be pro-labor. That's not the president's job, anyway, so if this candidate is committed to reducing the regulatory impediments to indistriousness AND committed to not furthering any major economic regulations, business (and the concomitant labor) will prosper.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Everything Obama Is Not...

                              Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                              ...Now, if you had a libertarian candidate that actually proved he would consistently imprison tycoons for long sentences, when they violate economic principles, we'd have a deal. But Grover Cleveland was not that candidate. Not even close. Come up with a state governor who proves his worth on this issue.
                              It's not the president's job to imprison anyone. But, even if it was the president's job, I wouldn't be sitting idly by while all tycoons are imprisoned. I would love to see those tycoons imprisoned who have done illegal acts (whether or not they benefitted financially from them). But carte blanche imprisoning them because they violate "economic principles? No, I don't think that is such a good idea.

                              Don't get me wrong, I think they might be criminally STUPID if they violate well-established economic principles... but that isn't illegal.

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