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LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

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  • #16
    Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

    Originally posted by RDK View Post
    If controlling people’s lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to prohibit a woman’s control over her body by outlawing abortion?

    If controlling people’s lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to force Christianity on the general population?

    If controlling people’s lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain… well you get the idea.
    No, I'm sure they won't "get the idea".

    Once again, it is the largely fictitious "liberals" who are the cause of the woes of California as well as society in general. 20% of the population apparently forced LA county to enact this measure. A state which recently elected yet another ultraconservative B-movie actor to be their governator is so liberal they want to spoil all the fun of the far more authoritarian conservatives at the beach.


    • #17
      Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

      Originally posted by Formaldehyde View Post
      Getting hit by a frisbee is far different than a football. But either way, I think they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They need to crack down on people who actually do endanger the welfare of others at the beach instead of having sweeping mandates like this. For instance, it is quite dangerous to use a skim board when there are others walking on the beach in proximity to where you are doing it. But doing so on a relatively isolated stretch of beach in a safe and reasonable manner is only potentially dangerous to your own health.

      Snow skiing is an excellent example of performing a relatively risky behavior in the presence of others. It is one which injures dozens every single day, and it even kills with disturbing regularity. And yet the recent death of Sarah Burke, there is no crackdown to regulate it even more. At least not yet...

      News Article | Fox Sports | MSN

      The same rules found at any ski resort should prevail at the beach, or any park for that matter. You can basically do anything you want as long as you don't endanger anybody else. But if your acts do injure another skier or you even act recklessly near others, it is another matter altogether.

      Funny you should say all of the above....

      If i remember correctly, aren't you pro-gun control?

      Just sayin...


      • #18
        Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

        Originally posted by RDK View Post
        If controlling people’s lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to force Christianity on the general population?
        I was unaware this was happening anywhere. Could you provide actual, you know, proof that conservatives in general want to force the nation to be Christian?
        Originally posted by RDK View Post
        If controlling people’s lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain… well you get the idea.
        Both sides do it but truly stupid shit like this requires the involvement of a statist progressive - aka modern American liberal.


        • #19
          Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

          Originally posted by EricOKC View Post
          Funny you should say all of the above....

          If i remember correctly, aren't you pro-gun control?

          Just sayin...
          What does any of this have to do with being "pro gun control", which I am not generally in favor of anyway?

          Just sayin...


          • #20
            Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

            Originally posted by Formaldehyde View Post
            What does any of this have to do with being "pro gun control", which I am not generally in favor of anyway?

            Just sayin...
            If you're not - I apologize.

            It just struck me how the argument you are making about going overboard instead of punishing those who actually cause harm is the exact same argument those of us who despise gun control make - just about a different object (guns instead of Frisbees)


            • #21
              Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

              Originally posted by soot View Post
              I bet I could cause moderately serious injuries to a three-year-old girl if I drill her in the face with a regulation football. I also bet that if I'm in a full-on sprint running to catch a frisbee and I run onto a 65-year-old lady with an artificial hip she's going to come out of the collision worse off than I am.

              Just a few (flippant, maybe) examples but I think it suffices to show that people can get hurt as a result of game playing.
              Are those examples of actual events that have happened with any real regularity or doomsday scenarios that could feasibly take place? More important than looking at the worst case scenario when assessing risk is assessing likelihood.

              A quick Google search turned up no serious injuries or fatalities in connection with L.A. beach football - although I do admit I stopped reading after 4 pages. We're a country of 300,000,000+ people with a tremendous amount of waterfront property and I suspect there hasn't been 100 beach football related deaths in this country's existence.

              Originally posted by soot View Post
              Maybe it's just me and the fact that I don't take a "fuck you, I'm gonna do what I wanna do when I wanna dot it and you better get the fuck out of my way" attitude when I'm in a public place. I think that if two groups of people are enjoying themselves in the same general area and the activity that one group is enjoying puts the other group at risk of harm then it is contingent upon the first group to yield to the second, even when I'm the one having his fun "ruined" by that belief.
              It sounds an awfully lot like you are that guy to me. We're not talking about juggling live grenades or shooting guns wildly into the air on public property but rather a father and son playing catch; which is an extremely reasonable thing to do on public property with an extremely low risk of actually injuring anyone else. I'm sympathetic to the idea that you might just want a quiet spot to read a book or take a nap but when you use public property there is always the chance that someone else might be using it for different purposes and those other purposes often impact our own intentions. That's life. Rather than accepting you might have to find a more quiet spot on the beach or find something else to do there you're looking to stop others from using the property in a very reasonable manner.

              If that doesn't scream "fuck you, I'm going to do what I want" I don't know what else does.

              Originally posted by soot View Post
              But I don't think it's fair that a stay-at-home mother of three young kids has to be afraid to take those kids to the beach in the afternoon while dad is at work because on top of the other dangers inherant in bringing non-swimming young children to the beach she also has to worry about a bunch of drunk frat boys home for the summer trampling her children or drilling one with a football.
              I'm not entirely sure how alcohol even entered into this discussion but there are already laws prohibiting public drunkenness. Regardless of alcohol, it sounds like your fictitious stay-at-home mother of three needs to find a career of her own so the family can afford their own waterfront property if she is that afraid of leaving the house. There is just no reason that her irrational fear of the dangers involved in my six-year-old nephew and I horsing around with a foam Nerf ball should prohibit us from enjoying the very public property my tax dollars go towards in a reasonable manner.

              Originally posted by soot View Post
              I guess the moral of the story is that it's become fashionable, it seems, to not have any respect for other people. As I said above, you can't force people to be courteous but you can make laws that kinda curtail their ability to ruin the day for others by being self-absorbed fucktards.
              I'm sure there are just as many discourteous, self-absorbed fucktards looking to read at the beach as there are those looking to horse around with their six-year-old nephews. The real moral of the story is once again a very small group of self righteous assholes have made an issue out of nothing and ruined something great for everyone because of their own selfish reasons. There is just absolutely no reason for this legislation.
              Last edited by Wagner; 02-10-2012, 03:00 PM.


              • #22
                Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                Originally posted by RDK View Post
                If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to prohibit a womans control over her body by outlawing abortion?

                If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to force Christianity on the general population?

                If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain well you get the idea.
                I honestly don't know anyone who wants to force Christianity on anyone but it is that whole taking the life of another people typically object to when it comes to abortion.


                • #23
                  Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                  Originally posted by EricOKC View Post
                  If you're not - I apologize.

                  It just struck me how the argument you are making about going overboard instead of punishing those who actually cause harm is the exact same argument those of us who despise gun control make - just about a different object (guns instead of Frisbees)
                  Only I would say that the hardcore gun advocates are the ones who typically go overboard in this aspect, instead of the handful of "pro gun control" people in this country. In this matter, it would be similar to someone demanding they be able to play football on a crowded section of beach or to be able to surf fish in an area with swimmers because it was their constitutional right to do so.

                  It is similar to those who have typically have far more authoritarians stances in this thread insisting that it is the "liberals" who want to try to control everybody else's lives when it is usually the other way around. Most liberals are far more libertarian than their conservative counterparts.
                  Last edited by Formaldehyde; 02-10-2012, 03:31 PM.


                  • #24
                    Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                    Oh, this is a real hoot. It turns out the entire matter is completely bogus:

                    Frisbee ban on L.A. beaches? Calm down, folks

                    The phone rang and rang Thursday at the Department of Beaches and Harbors.

                    Upset callers and reporters checked in from throughout the country. One reporter was in London.

                    "Why in the world would county officials ban Frisbee tossing on Los Angeles beaches?" they asked.

                    The trouble was, nobody had.

                    KCBS/KCAL had incorrectly reported that "LA County Approves $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbees On Beaches."

                    And like a virus, the story spread through the Internet, Facebook sites and Twitter. It showed up on the Drudge Report and news websites.

                    Last edited by MattInFla; 02-10-2012, 04:04 PM. Reason: Quotation shortened to excerpt, per forum rules