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  • LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

    LA County OKs $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbee On Beaches

    So a $1000 fine for playing frisbee on the beach between Memorial day and Labor day. No word of how "relaxed" the law will be during the rest of the year....$500 fine?

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a couple of county commissioners are going to be getting "Asshole of the Year" awards in the near future.

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    Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

    Originally posted by lutherf View Post
    LA County OKs $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbee On Beaches

    So a $1000 fine for playing frisbee on the beach between Memorial day and Labor day. No word of how "relaxed" the law will be during the rest of the year....$500 fine?

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a couple of county commissioners are going to be getting "Asshole of the Year" awards in the near future.
    Go to the beach, but you can't have any fun. Regulators, love the power to regulate, even if it's telling you, you can't play catch with a football.

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      Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

      more proof that liberals have to much power and to much time on their hands.

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        Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

        I'm on the fence here.

        I'm not a Cali resident but we've got plenty of beaches here in NJ and in my long and frequent beach-going experience lots of folks (including myself when I was younger) can be real douchebags when it comes to playing games on the beach.

        Beaches can get REALLY crowded.

        Lots of folks go to the beach with little kids. Lots of old folks go to the beach. Lots of people go to the beach to RELAX.

        Not all but MANY folks who go to the beach and throw footballs/frisbees don't have any regard or respect for those other groups of people.

        I've seen game-players running across peoples' towles, I've seen little kids hit with footballs, I've seen "bystanders" run into and knocked over by game-players, etc...

        I've seen the above not just once or twice in my life but several times every time I go to the beach.

        You can't legislate courtesy and respect and you can't conceivably have enough police on the beach to cite disrespectful game-playes on an as-needed basis.

        So where does that leave you?

        Either you have to put your foot down and say that a few douchebags ruined it for the crowd or you need to tell people that they're going (and paying to go) to the beach at their own risk.

        I don't think either option is great but I can see where this is a viable solution and since the game-players are the minority I can see how they get the shitty end of the stick (as it were).

        Now, personally, I think it's kind of ridiculous to make this a sweeping law that includes ALL beaches everywhere in the county.

        My preference would be to have "family/old-people/relaxation" beaches and "game-playing" beaches. Or probably more reasonably to have sections of each beach cordoned off for either type of "activity", much the same way beaches have designated, guarded swimming areas.

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          Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

          When Frisbees are outlawed, only outlaws will have Frisbees....

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            Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

            FWIW, the ordinance allows to to throw, toss or kick a volleyball as much as you like.

            So, playing with the white ball is OK, but the brown ball is not welcome.

            Racist motherfuckers. Where's Rev. Al at?

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              Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
              FWIW, the ordinance allows to to throw, toss or kick a volleyball as much as you like.

              So, playing with the white ball is OK, but the brown ball is not welcome.

              Racist motherfuckers. Where's Rev. Al at?
              Now thats just funny

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                Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                Originally posted by soot View Post
                I'm on the fence here.

                I'm not a Cali resident but we've got plenty of beaches here in NJ and in my long and frequent beach-going experience lots of folks (including myself when I was younger) can be real douchebags when it comes to playing games on the beach.

                Beaches can get REALLY crowded.

                Lots of folks go to the beach with little kids. Lots of old folks go to the beach. Lots of people go to the beach to RELAX.

                Not all but MANY folks who go to the beach and throw footballs/frisbees don't have any regard or respect for those other groups of people.

                I've seen game-players running across peoples' towles, I've seen little kids hit with footballs, I've seen "bystanders" run into and knocked over by game-players, etc...

                I've seen the above not just once or twice in my life but several times every time I go to the beach.

                You can't legislate courtesy and respect and you can't conceivably have enough police on the beach to cite disrespectful game-playes on an as-needed basis.

                So where does that leave you?

                Either you have to put your foot down and say that a few douchebags ruined it for the crowd or you need to tell people that they're going (and paying to go) to the beach at their own risk.

                I don't think either option is great but I can see where this is a viable solution and since the game-players are the minority I can see how they get the shitty end of the stick (as it were).

                Now, personally, I think it's kind of ridiculous to make this a sweeping law that includes ALL beaches everywhere in the county.

                My preference would be to have "family/old-people/relaxation" beaches and "game-playing" beaches. Or probably more reasonably to have sections of each beach cordoned off for either type of "activity", much the same way beaches have designated, guarded swimming areas.
                At risk of what exactly? Having people throw a football in another person's general vicinity?

                I could understand the decision if there were regular fatalities or even moderately serious injuries because of people playing football or frisbee but that is obviously not the case here. Everyone should have the right to enjoy public property within certain very reasonable limits and, in my opinion, that someone else's enjoyment might prevent full enjoyment by another person is a risk people have to take.

                The law pretty much also strikes down building sandcastles. Are people's enjoyment of the beach really at risk because children are building them?

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                  Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                  Originally posted by Wagner View Post
                  At risk of what exactly? Having people throw a football in another person's general vicinity?

                  I could understand the decision if there were regular fatalities or even moderately serious injuries because of people playing football or frisbee but that is obviously not the case here. Everyone should have the right to enjoy public property within certain very reasonable limits and, in my opinion, that someone else's enjoyment might prevent full enjoyment by another person is a risk people have to take.

                  The law pretty much also strikes down building sandcastles. Are people's enjoyment of the beach really at risk because children are building them?
                  See bold:

                  I bet I could cause moderately serious injuries to a three-year-old girl if I drill her in the face with a regulation football. I also bet that if I'm in a full-on sprint running to catch a frisbee and I run onto a 65-year-old lady with an artificial hip she's going to come out of the collision worse off than I am.

                  Just a few (flippant, maybe) examples but I think it suffices to show that people can get hurt as a result of game playing.

                  I see this being the same as the regulations we have here in NJ (both State and private beaches) that prohibit fishing in areas cordoned off for swimming.

                  I fish the surf pretty frequently and I can cast well enough that my lure/bait is going to go where I want to put it 95 times out of 100. It's incredibly unlikely that I'm gonna drill a sun-bather with 6 oz. of lead or foul hook them with a #4/0 treble.

                  All the same, the potential injury I might cause, should the unlikely actually transpire, precludes, and should in my own inconvenienced-as-a-result opinion, my enjoying myself in a manner that might ruin someone else's enjoyment of the same area.

                  Maybe it's just me and the fact that I don't take a "fuck you, I'm gonna do what I wanna do when I wanna dot it and you better get the fuck out of my way" attitude when I'm in a public place. I think that if two groups of people are enjoying themselves in the same general area and the activity that one group is enjoying puts the other group at risk of harm then it is contingent upon the first group to yield to the second, even when I'm the one having his fun "ruined" by that belief.

                  Besides, if I want to fish I can go do it on a non-swimming beach.

                  If you (general you) want to throw a football go do it in an open field rather than on a crowded beach.

                  And of course, as I've already said, I think it's bullshit that this law applies to all beaches in LA county.

                  If it were up to me there would be relaxing beaches and horseplay beaches so both groups could enjoy themselves - just like there are fishing and non-fishing beaches here in NJ. If someone accidentally gets hurt as a result of a permitted activity on a beach where it's permitted then too fucking bad - big boy rules.

                  But I don't think it's fair that a stay-at-home mother of three young kids has to be afraid to take those kids to the beach in the afternoon while dad is at work because on top of the other dangers inherant in bringing non-swimming young children to the beach she also has to worry about a bunch of drunk frat boys home for the summer trampling her children or drilling one with a football.

                  The law pretty much also strikes down building sandcastles. Are people's enjoyment of the beach really at risk because children are building them?
                  The way I read it it strikes down digging holes that are deeper than 18 inches, again, because people are douchebags and a whole hell of a lot of them will dig deep holes building sand castles and then not have the courtesy to bother filling them in. When you do that below the mean high water line it's not a problem because the tide is going to fill them in. When you do it above that it creates a hazzard.

                  I guess the moral of the story is that it's become fashionable, it seems, to not have any respect for other people. As I said above, you can't force people to be courteous but you can make laws that kinda curtail their ability to ruin the day for others by being self-absorbed fucktards.

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                    Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                    Getting hit by a frisbee is far different than a football. But either way, I think they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They need to crack down on people who actually do endanger the welfare of others at the beach instead of having sweeping mandates like this. For instance, it is quite dangerous to use a skim board when there are others walking on the beach in proximity to where you are doing it. But doing so on a relatively isolated stretch of beach in a safe and reasonable manner is only potentially dangerous to your own health.

                    Snow skiing is an excellent example of performing a relatively risky behavior in the presence of others. It is one which injures dozens every single day, and it even kills with disturbing regularity. And yet the recent death of Sarah Burke, there is no crackdown to regulate it even more. At least not yet...

                    News Article | Fox Sports | MSN

                    As skiers and snowboarders pause at the entrance of a 500-foot shaft of snow and ice, known more colloquially as the Park City Mountain Resort Halfpipe, it is typically to readjust their minds as much as their bindings.

                    And, yet, as they take a deep breath to gather courage and concentration, few take notice of the metal sign mounted on a post just to their right, even though it beseeches passersby with bold letters.

                    STOP READ THIS.

                    Most signs on the ski resort's slopes are simple: blue squares, green circles and black diamonds, indicating with arrows which direction to take for routes of varying degrees of difficulty. The signs are so plain and so visible they barely require anyone to slow down, let alone stop, on their way down the mountain.

                    But this one reads like a liability waiver, laying out a long set of expectations and recommendations before warning that plunging into the halfpipe "exposes you to the risk of serious injury or death. Inverted aerials are not recommended."

                    YOU ASSUME THE RISK.
                    The same rules found at any ski resort should prevail at the beach, or any park for that matter. You can basically do anything you want as long as you don't endanger anybody else. But if your acts do injure another skier or you even act recklessly near others, it is another matter altogether.
                    Last edited by MattInFla; 02-09-2012, 02:27 PM. Reason: Reduced quote to short excerpt. Copying the entire article is not permitted.

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                      Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                      This is nothing more than legislative laziness. Instead of dealing with those that have caused a problem using probably a dozen or more existing laws, regulations, etc., they decide to stack on useless regulation. A sort of punishment for everyone to avoid dealing with any one who causes a problem for others.

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                      • #12
                        Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                        Originally posted by thanatos144 View Post
                        more proof that liberals have to much power and to much time on their hands.
                        It's all about power for them, and always has been.

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                          Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                          Originally posted by Damn Yankee View Post
                          It's all about power for them, and always has been.
                          Power, yes, but it's more the want to "Control" you. Controlling peoples lives is paramount to a liberal.

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                            Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                            Originally posted by Forplay View Post
                            Power, yes, but it's more the want to "Control" you. Controlling peoples lives is paramount to a liberal.
                            If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to prohibit a womans control over her body by outlawing abortion?

                            If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to force Christianity on the general population?


                            If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain well you get the idea.

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                              Re: LA County bans footballs/frisbees on beach

                              Originally posted by RDK View Post
                              If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to prohibit a womans control over her body by outlawing abortion?

                              If controlling peoples lives was limited to liberals, how then do you explain that it is conservatives who want to force Christianity on the general population?


                              ...
                              1. Protecting basic human rights, the most important which is life, is more important than someone's inconvenience.
                              2. You have no basis to make that allegation about a political movement.

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