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Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

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  • Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

    Touch of green: California contributors to Elizabeth Warren's senate campaign include Grateful Dead's Bob Weir, "Simpsons" producer James L. Brooks | masslive.com

    Lizzy is getting something close to 80% of her donation from states other than Massachusetts. Not companies with interest in Mass but actual people. Mainly from Hollywood.

    The article lists several people including Danny Devito and others who are well known.

    I think this is wrong personally. If she cannot raise money in the State she is living in and running in for Senate then she deserves to lose. AND I would say this about Brown as well.

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    Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

    Do you feel the same way about rich people who use their own money? Don't you think most congressional candidates likely receive lots of donations from out-of-state companies?

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      Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
      Touch of green: California contributors to Elizabeth Warren's senate campaign include Grateful Dead's Bob Weir, "Simpsons" producer James L. Brooks | masslive.com

      Lizzy is getting something close to 80% of her donation from states other than Massachusetts. Not companies with interest in Mass but actual people. Mainly from Hollywood.

      The article lists several people including Danny Devito and others who are well known.

      I think this is wrong personally. If she cannot raise money in the State she is living in and running in for Senate then she deserves to lose. AND I would say this about Brown as well.
      Every federal political campaign has money come in from outside the district or the state, most state campaigns do.
      Why not?
      Most of the money that got Scott Brown elected was from out of state.
      Elizabeth Warren or Scott Brown will be voting on things that affect California, New York, every state in the union.

      If you want campaigns financed by voluntary contributions, this is what you get.

      I think the system is crazy, since the vast majority of the money comes from 1/2 of 1% of the public. These are the people who get to walk into a congressman's office and tell him his views, as a matter of fact these are the people who the congressman has to call and ask for money, and the money comes with definite suggestions on what they would like.
      The only way this ends is with public financing of campaigns.

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        Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

        Has not the Supreme Court ruled that donating money is a form of free speech and that the 1st amendment governs?

        What the OP is really asking is should freedom of speech be curtailed at state borders.

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          Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

          Originally posted by RDK View Post
          Has not the Supreme Court ruled that donating money is a form of free speech and that the 1st amendment governs?

          What the OP is really asking is should freedom of speech be curtailed at state borders.
          Thanks for putting words in my mouth that aren't there. Is that all you can comment on the article? Just to make up things about another poster?

          No I am not about curbing Free Speech, but in your case I might make an exception. My point is that Warren is so poorly liked right now she cannot get much money in State and while she is hob nobbing with Hollywood types she is being a hypocrite and whining about the 1% and claiming she provided the intellectual basis for the OWS.

          Now I understand that she will vote on National Issues but she should vote the way we in Massachusetts want her to vote if we elect her not what California wants. Outside influence does not support local needs. Sadly when I go to the Polls and it is Brown or Warren I have to hold my nose when I choose no matter who I vote for.

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            Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
            Thanks for putting words in my mouth that aren't there. Is that all you can comment on the article? Just to make up things about another poster?
            .....
            You did say that it was wrong for the candidate to receive money from out of state.

            Let the money come from wherever, if the people of the state don't like it then they can base their vote on that fact.

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              Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

              Originally posted by RDK View Post
              You did say that it was wrong for the candidate to receive money from out of state.

              Let the money come from wherever, if the people of the state don't like it then they can base their vote on that fact.
              No matter how you rationalize it you jumped from me not liking her getting out of state money to equal a restriction of free speech. That is almost a back breaking stretch.

              While I am at it for the purposes of discussion.

              Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
              Please show me where the above bolded means anything but the Federal Government. If Massachusetts decides to make a law saying that you cannot say certain things, it does not violate the Federal Constitution.

              Now depending on how you read it, the Massachusetts Constitution follows close to the Federal Constitution so if the same thinking by the Supreme Court of the United States is used then outside contributions could not be blocked.

              Article XVI. The liberty of the press is essential to the security of freedom in a state: it ought not, therefore, to be restrained in this commonwealth. The right of free speech shall not be abridged.

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                Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                RDK made a very valid point, which is the same one that Adaher tries to make whenever the topic of regulating or restricting Super PACs comes up. Of course, the difference is that in this particular case it is actually people instead of an artificial entity.

                If Warren is so "poorly liked" then she obviously won't be elected.

                Elizabeth Warren, Scott Brown Tied In Massachusetts Poll

                From the Daily Show clip:

                ...thirty of the largest corporations in the US are now spending more on lobbying now than they pay in federal taxes.
                No wonder she is hated by some so much...
                Last edited by Formaldehyde; 02-24-2012, 07:39 AM.

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                  Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                  Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                  No matter how you rationalize it you jumped from me not liking her getting out of state money to equal a restriction of free speech. That is almost a back breaking stretch. .....


                  Please show me where the above bolded means anything but the Federal Government. If Massachusetts decides to make a law saying that you cannot say certain things, it does not violate the Federal Constitution.

                  .......
                  You are just backpedaling. Any infringement on people spending their money to support any political cause they want to is an infringement on the 1st amendment.

                  And BTW the Constitution applies to state law as well as federal government.

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                    Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                    Originally posted by RDK View Post
                    You are just backpedaling. Any infringement on people spending their money to support any political cause they want to is an infringement on the 1st amendment.

                    And BTW the Constitution applies to state law as well as federal government.
                    Only in specific instances does it restrain the States from doing things.

                    Not everything in it is a restriction on the States and as I showed it specifically states Congress Shall Make no Laws in regards to religion and free speech.

                    I am not back pedaling. Your opinion is not fact nor does it state what I am thinking. I again say DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I guess I will just add you next to Formy for my list of people here who are worthless to debate or respond to.

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                      Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      Only in specific instances does it restrain the States from doing things.

                      ........
                      Gee, here I thought that the US constitution was the supreme law of the land.

                      Now where would I get that Idea??????

                      How about

                      This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
                      Article VI Clause 2 of the Constitution

                      It has been used to strike down stae laws starting as early as 1796 Ware v Hylton where a state law found inconsistent with the Treaty of Paris was thrown out.

                      There are several other SCOUS decisions on the matter.

                      Most on point is Cooper v Aaron (1958) where the Supreme Court struck down an attempt by Arkansas to nullify the decision of Brown v Board of Education which as we all know resulted in the desegregation of schools.

                      If the state cannot pass a law overturning a Court decision they how can they pass one overturning the First Amendment?

                      There is also the 14th Amendment which states No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges of immunities of citizens of the United States.

                      Is not freedom of speech a fundamental privilege of the US citizen?

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                        Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                        Originally posted by RDK View Post
                        Has not the Supreme Court ruled that donating money is a form of free speech and that the 1st amendment governs?

                        What the OP is really asking is should freedom of speech be curtailed at state borders.
                        Well played.

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                          Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                          Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                          Well played.
                          When he put words that I did not say nor think in his post his well played became bullshit.

                          If he had led with the post above yours then it would have been an honest debate but instead RDK used a form of ad hominem by deliberately stating something that I did not say as if I had said it. Therefore his debate is useless since he cannot avoid making it personal.

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                            Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                            When he put words that I did not say nor think in his post his well played became bullshit.

                            If he had led with the post above yours then it would have been an honest debate but instead RDK used a form of ad hominem by deliberately stating something that I did not say as if I had said it. Therefore his debate is useless since he cannot avoid making it personal.
                            OK I’ll be precise here.

                            You did not advocate that free speech should be banned, just that you thought that it was wrong.



                            I think this is wrong personally.
                            A person’s dedication to freedom of speech is directly proportional to how strongly he defends that right when used to say something he disagrees with.

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                              Re: Should a Person running for office recieve out of state donations?

                              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                              Touch of green: California contributors to Elizabeth Warren's senate campaign include Grateful Dead's Bob Weir, "Simpsons" producer James L. Brooks | masslive.com

                              Lizzy is getting something close to 80% of her donation from states other than Massachusetts. Not companies with interest in Mass but actual people. Mainly from Hollywood.

                              The article lists several people including Danny Devito and others who are well known.

                              I think this is wrong personally. If she cannot raise money in the State she is living in and running in for Senate then she deserves to lose. AND I would say this about Brown as well.
                              That she is raising all of her money from out-of-state donors might be something Massachusetts voters would want to look at but I don't see anything wrong with it. Millions of people come into Manhattan (NY) every day to work from places like Long Island, Connecticut, and New Jersey. I see no reason why those people shouldn't be able to contribute to campaigns they support or that there should even be limitations on what they contribute.

                              Ultimately, I think people overestimate a donor's influence. The $2,500 Warren collected from Danny DeVito is really just a drop in the bucket of the several million she will raise overall. It's the people in her district who get to decide and that is who she needs to address in her campaign.
                              Last edited by Wagner; 02-25-2012, 05:39 PM.

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