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  • Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Insane Michigan government announces plan to destroy ranch livestock based on hair color and arrest hundreds of ranchers as felons

    The link has many links for support of this.

    Basically the DNR, Department of Natural Resources, which should be as many call it, Damn Near Russia, has decided that family farms and free range pigs are dangerous to the state.

    Supporting links are after the initial article in the link I presented here.

    Here is the official site.

    DNR - Feral Swine in Michigan - A Growing Problem

    Feral swine also are dangerous when cornered or threatened. They can become aggressive and charge and attack humans. They move with great speed and can cause serious injuries with their tusks.
    I find this hilarious because they are saying a wild animal cornered can be dangerous therefore should be destroyed. WoW really? What braniac came up with that? So why aren't we destroying all animals that are dangerous when cornered?

    Another site on this.

    Michigan Orders Slaughter Of All Heritage Breed Pigs | Food Renegade

    I wonder who voted this law into place or is it like the EPA just something the DNR decided to do on its own?

  • #2
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Sounds like a bigger business is trying to put a smaller business ... out of business. I suspect the bigger business will win.

    Power helps ... government supports bigger businesses. Like outlawing knowledge of practices:

    Making Factory Farms Look Bad Could Soon Be Against the Law
    Out in Iowa, where the official state motto is "[State Motto Unintelligible due to legislators giving blowjob to agriculture lobbyists]," the legislature is working not to clean up factory farms, or regulate factory farms, or investigate factory farms, but to stop anyone from doing anything that might make factory farms look bad.
    Michigan threatens small farms by calling heritage pigs ‘invasive’ | Grist
    In a recent post on Take Part, Clare Leschin-Hoar spoke with Sam Hines, executive vice president of the Michigan Pork Producers Association, who fully admits that his organization, and the massive industry they represent, is involved in the order.

    Apparently gestation crates are preferable to open range.

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      Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

      And no one is challenging this? I find that very surprising.

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      • #4
        Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

        Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
        And no one is challenging this? I find that very surprising.
        Sadly I ask, are you really surprised or being sarcastic?

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          Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

          Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
          And no one is challenging this? I find that very surprising.
          Gotcha.

          OP's selective quotation from the Michigan DNR was dishonest. The quote implied
          that phyical attack on humans was the primary threat posed by these animals,
          and that is not so. Here are the most outstanding threats:

          Michigan Department of Natural Resources: Feral Swine in Michigan - A Growing Problem

          (from link):
          Why Are Feral Swine a Problem?

          Feral swine are a problem for two main reasons - they can host many parasites and diseases that threaten humans, domestic livestock and wildlife; and they can cause extensive damage to forests, agricultural lands and Michigan's water resources.

          Feral swine have been known to carry several diseases and parasites, including hog cholera (classic swine fever), pseudorabies, brucellosis, tuberculosis, salmonellosis, anthrax, ticks, fleas, lice and various worms. Feral swine are highly mobile, making it easy for them to spread disease quickly in Michigan's wildlife and domestic livestock populations.

          Feral swine carry several diseases that can infect humans including brucellosis, balantidiasis, leptospirosis, salmonellosis, toxoplasmosis, trichinosis, trichostrongylosis, sarcoptic mange, tuberculosis, tularemia, anthrax, rabies and plague.

          Feral swine also are dangerous when cornered or threatened. They can become aggressive and charge and attack humans. They move with great speed and can cause serious injuries with their tusks.

          Swine also compete for natural foods with wildlife, such as turkeys, deer and small game. Acorns are a preferred food for feral swine, just as they are for Michigan's native white-tailed deer population. Feral swine will eat almost anything, including dead animals and many forms of vegetation and tree seedlings. When there is a shortage of natural foods for them to consume, feral swine will forage on most agricultural crops and livestock feed. Feral swine will also eat small ground-nesting mammals and birds. And using their acute sense of smell, feral swine will find and eat young domestic livestock and poultry.

          Feral swine also routinely engage in two types of behavior that are damaging to soils, crops and water - rooting and wallowing. Their rooting behavior, during which they dig for food below the soil surface, causes erosion, damages lawns and farm lands, and weakens plants and native vegetation. Wallowing behavior, during which feral swine seek out areas of shallow water to roll in mud, destroys small ponds and stream banks, which impacts water quality.
          Now, I am not going to get into a debate over what should be done to combat
          the problem, but if the DNC says there is a problem then they are almost sure
          to be right, and allegations that DNC has been acting in collusion with big agribusiness
          is the stuff of moonbeams.

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            Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

            Originally posted by USViking View Post
            Gotcha.

            OP's selective quotation from the Michigan DNR was dishonest. The quote implied
            that phyical attack on humans was the primary threat posed by these animals,
            and that is not so. Here are the most outstanding threats:
            I so love when someone ASSUMES what I am thinking. It shows complete dishonesty in a debate.

            I was pointing out how ludicrous I felt that particular distinction for the hogs was. Thank you for putting thoughts in my head.

            How about we look at all the reasons for this stupid and ignorant set of rules.


            Feral swine are a problem for two main reasons - they can host many parasites and diseases that threaten humans, domestic livestock and wildlife; and they can cause extensive damage to forests, agricultural lands and Michigan's water resources.
            So farm bred free range pigs are destroying the environment? You could make a case for cows or any other livestock for that one. Deer for those running in the wild.

            Feral swine have been known to carry several diseases and parasites, including hog cholera (classic swine fever), pseudorabies, brucellosis, tuberculosis, salmonellosis, anthrax, ticks, fleas, lice and various worms. Feral swine are highly mobile, making it easy for them to spread disease quickly in Michigan's wildlife and domestic livestock populations.
            Squirrels carry rabies, birds carry parasites, mosquitoes carry diseases. Cows can carry salmonella. Chicken when left out can carry salmonella as well.

            Feral swine carry several diseases that can infect humans including brucellosis, balantidiasis, leptospirosis, salmonellosis, toxoplasmosis, trichinosis, trichostrongylosis, sarcoptic mange, tuberculosis, tularemia, anthrax, rabies and plague.
            Many wild animals carry those as well Why are we focusing on this one animal for these problems?

            Feral swine also are dangerous when cornered or threatened. They can become aggressive and charge and attack humans. They move with great speed and can cause serious injuries with their tusks.
            Already addressed this one.

            Swine also compete for natural foods with wildlife, such as turkeys, deer and small game. Acorns are a preferred food for feral swine, just as they are for Michigan's native white-tailed deer population. Feral swine will eat almost anything, including dead animals and many forms of vegetation and tree seedlings. When there is a shortage of natural foods for them to consume, feral swine will forage on most agricultural crops and livestock feed. Feral swine will also eat small ground-nesting mammals and birds. And using their acute sense of smell, feral swine will find and eat young domestic livestock and poultry.
            Most pigs will eat anything. They are more like a goat than the general assumption of what a goat eats.

            Feral swine also routinely engage in two types of behavior that are damaging to soils, crops and water - rooting and wallowing. Their rooting behavior, during which they dig for food below the soil surface, causes erosion, damages lawns and farm lands, and weakens plants and native vegetation. Wallowing behavior, during which feral swine seek out areas of shallow water to roll in mud, destroys small ponds and stream banks, which impacts water quality.
            So do normal pigs. Whats the point? We are not talking wild pigs here we are talking pigs on a farm in pens that are built for them so they don't harm the enviroment. If the DNR.. btw it is DNR not DNC, truly wanted to go after the problem then they would be out hunting the wild ones not the ones constrained on farms.


            A follow up article.

            Proof of Big Government Excess: Michigan Forces Small Farmers to Shoot Their Baby Pigs (+Video)

            Because the Bakers are able to raise hogs so efficiently, they pose a competitive threat to corporate indoor pig farms. Thus, the pork lobby in Michigan successfully passed a bill that labels the type of hogs being raised by the Baker family as "feral," in order to drive the outdoor pig farmers out of business. It is now a felony in Michigan to raise pigs that have the specific characteristics of the Bakers' hogs that allow them to withstand the cold climate outdoors.

            The Michigan DNR has had a LONG history of screwing people and trying to control their lives beyond the reasonable. That is why you can go to upper Michigan and the UP and see signs that say DNR = Damn Near Russia and other similar sentiments.

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              Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

              Lets look at the 9 Characteristics that make a pig "feral" under the DNR.

              Bristle-tip coloration: Sus scrofa exhibit bristle tips that are lighter in color (e.g., white,
              cream, or buff) than the rest of the hair shaft. This expression is most frequently
              observed across the dorsal portion and sides of the snout/face, and on the back and
              sides of the animal’s body.

              • Dark “point” coloration: Sus scrofa exhibit “points” (i.e., distal portions of the snout,
              ears, legs, and tail) that are dark brown to black in coloration, and lack light-colored tips
              on the bristles.

              • Coat coloration: Sus scrofa exhibit a number of coat coloration patterns. Patterns most
              frequently observed among wild/feral/hybrid types are: wild/grizzled; solid black; solid
              red/brown; black and white spotted; black and red/brown spotted.

              • Underfur: Sus scrofa exhibit the presence of underfur that is lighter in color (e.g.,
              smoke gray to brown) than the overlying dark brown to black bristles/guard hairs.
              Juvenile coat pattern: Juvenile Sus scrofa exhibit striped coat patterns. This consists of
              a light grayish-tan to brown base coat, with a dark brown to black spinal stripe and three
              to four brown irregular longitudinal stripes with dark margins along the length of the
              body.

              • Skeletal appearance: Sus scrofa skeletal structure is distinct. Structures include skull
              morphology, dorsal profile, and external body measurements including tail length, headbody
              length, hind foot length, ear length, snout length, and shoulder height.

              • Tail structure: Sus scrofa exhibit straight tails. They contain the muscular structure to
              curl their tails if needed, but the tails are typically held straight. Hybrids of Sus scrofa
              exhibit either curly or straight tail structure.

              • Ear structure: Sus scrofa exhibit erect ear structure. Hybrids of Sus scrofa exhibit
              either erect or folded/floppy ear structure.
              Sounds like a bunch of arbitrarycharacteristics for what makes a pig "feral"

              • Other characteristics not currently known to the MDNR that are identified by the
              scientific community.
              This one says... Whatever we think would help us screw the people.

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                Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                Ummm?

                Your point? Or do you feel you don't have to explain anything about your link or quotes?

                I find it funny in the first quote. The difference between domestic and feral.

                So put a pig in a pen, like the chickens that liberals howl about being stuck in cages and it is domestic.
                Let it roam the farm in and large enclosed area and it is feral.

                I suppose that means that if a family has a pig for a pet, which there are some, has only a feral pig not a domestic one.

                So how does that translate to cats and dogs. Doesn't it mean that a cat or dog live in a house with people make it domesticated?

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                  Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                  Of course large hog operations operate to protect the environment:


                  North Carolina's Hog Waste Lagoons: A Public Health Time Bomb | Environmental Defense FundNorth Carolina's more than 3800 open-pit hog waste lagoons are contaminating the state's drinking water, polluting its air and streams, and threatening the state's economy according to a report released today by the North Carolina Environmental Defense Fund (NCEDF).

                  The report, North Carolina's Hog Lagoons: Pitting Pork Waste Against Public Health and Environment, details how the primitive system used to treat the 19 million tons of hog waste produced annually in North Carolina is threatening the state's economy, public health and environment.

                  The report highlights the danger posed by the nearly 550 abandoned lagoons in North Carolina. Abandoned hog waste lagoons often contain sludge laden with high levels of nutrient and heavy metal pollutants that have accumulated over the lifetime of the hog-raising operation. "Hog operators have little incentive to clean up abandoned lagoons because state law sets no time limit for when 'inactive' lagoons must be cleaned up and closed," said Rudek.

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                    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                    Ummm?

                    Your point? Or do you feel you don't have to explain anything about your link or quotes?

                    I find it funny in the first quote. The difference between domestic and feral.

                    So put a pig in a pen, like the chickens that liberals howl about being stuck in cages and it is domestic.
                    Let it roam the farm in and large enclosed area and it is feral.

                    I suppose that means that if a family has a pig for a pet, which there are some, has only a feral pig not a domestic one.

                    So how does that translate to cats and dogs. Doesn't it mean that a cat or dog live in a house with people make it domesticated?
                    Really? I shared a link to a well-respected magazine... an article I remember from last year. The entire article is online, free access--no registration required. I pulled out a couple of quotes that I thought were interesting. I think it's a well-written, fairly-objective article on feral hogs.

                    And all you wanted to do is pick a fight.

                    Wow.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      I so love when someone ASSUMES what I am thinking. It shows complete dishonesty in a debate.

                      I was pointing out how ludicrous I felt that particular distinction for the hogs was. Thank you for putting thoughts in my head.

                      How about we look at all the reasons for this stupid and ignorant set of rules.
                      Your selective quotation was deceitful, no assumptions necessary.
                      You skipped the "two main reasons" feral swine are harmful, and
                      focused exclusively on a minor reason as though it were the only reason.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      So farm bred free range pigs are destroying the environment? You could make a case for cows or any other livestock for that one. Deer for those running in the wild.
                      If they are not securely fenced then they are sure to be contributing
                      to the problem by interbreeding with the feral population.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      Squirrels carry rabies, birds carry parasites, Cows can carry salmonella. Chicken when left out can carry salmonella as well.
                      Irrelevant and illogical to mention. No native or fenced type of these animals
                      have any significant harmful potential (Rabid squirrels?) as long as you avoid
                      approaching wildlife, and practice hygeinic food storage and cooking.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      mosquitoes carry diseases.
                      And we kill them on sight.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      Many wild animals carry those as well Why are we focusing on this one animal for these problems?
                      Native species which have evolved over 10s of 1000s of years to coexist
                      with the local environment. Feral pigs, introduced a few 100 years ago
                      from Eurasia, have not.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      Already addressed this one.
                      Dishonestly, by giving it undue prominence.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      Most pigs will eat anything. They are more like a goat than the general assumption of what a goat eats.
                      Just the kind of thing we want to have great herds of running loose, huh?



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      So do normal pigs. Whats the point? We are not talking wild pigs here we are talking pigs on a farm in pens that are built for them so they don't harm the enviroment. If the DNR.. btw it is DNR not DNC, truly wanted to go after the problem then they would be out hunting the wild ones not the ones constrained on farms.
                      You might have a legitimate complaint here- I am not sure I would agree with
                      taking action against securely fenced animals, except maybe where they effect
                      soil erosion which cannot be confined.



                      There is not yet enough news about what action the DNC is taking. If it
                      slaughters 1000s or even 100s of specially bred "heritage" pigs there should
                      be plenty of news about it. That tells me little or nothing has yet been done
                      to implement the regulations, which were to go into effect April 1.



                      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                      The Michigan DNR has had a LONG history of screwing people and trying to control their lives beyond the reasonable. That is why you can go to upper Michigan and the UP and see signs that say DNR = Damn Near Russia and other similar sentiments.
                      Besides this pig stuff, what's their gripe?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                        Originally posted by Agnostick View Post
                        Really? I shared a link to a well-respected magazine... an article I remember from last year. The entire article is online, free access--no registration required. I pulled out a couple of quotes that I thought were interesting. I think it's a well-written, fairly-objective article on feral hogs.

                        And all you wanted to do is pick a fight.

                        Wow.
                        No I am wondering why you didn't comment and present your own thoughts and explain why that article was relevant and what the quoted articles meant to you.

                        Without that I have to just wing it and comment on them without your input. I can't read your mind so I free form a response. If you don't like it maybe you should have spent a little time presenting your personal thoughts as well about the article.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                          Somebody is probably thinking of posting some crap about DNC commando raiders
                          terrorizing innocent farmers and slaughtering their animals, so here is a news link
                          datelined today indicating no big deal so far:

                          Michigan DNR responds to allegations of 'armed raids on pig farmers'


                          (from link):
                          ...NaturalNews.com editor Mike Adams contends the DNR "has, in total violation of the Fourth Amendment, conducted two armed raids on pig farmers in that state, one in Kalkaska County at Fife Lake and another in Cheboygan County.

                          ...Alongside the article at NaturalNews.com is a photo of a group of four pigs with what appear to be members of a helmeted team creeping around behind them. The photo is credited to the website.

                          ...DNR public information officer Ed Golder said allegations of conservation officers being involved in "armed raids on pig farmers" are just not true.

                          "There was one instance where the (conservation officers) asked to inspect a site on April 1. The owner denied access to the officers and told them to get a warrant," Golder said. "The officers returned on April 13 with an administrative inspection warrant."

                          Golder said the administrative inspection warrant isn't a criminal warrant, it just allows the officers to inspect the premises in a reasonable manner.

                          The DNR website says conservation officers are "fully commissioned as state peace officers with full power and authority to enforce Michigan's criminal laws." And, yes, they can carry guns.

                          The conservation officers found no invasive feral swine at the location, dead or alive, Golder said, and he disputes the notion that officers shot or forced anyone to shoot their swine.

                          "The DNR has not fired one shot or killed one pig while enforcing this order," Golder said.

                          Golder said the DNR worked with many farmers and ranchers in the months leading up to the April deadline to help them find out-of-state buyers for their feral swine.

                          ..."Enforcement thus far has gone very well," Golder said. "Almost all the places we've visited are in compliance and have been very cooperative."

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                            Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                            Originally posted by USViking View Post
                            Your selective quotation was deceitful, no assumptions necessary.
                            You skipped the "two main reasons" feral swine are harmful, and
                            focused exclusively on a minor reason as though it were the only reason.
                            Still trying to justify your assumption and attempt to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head?

                            Did I say it was the only thing? NO I said "this" meaning I am commenting on that specific rationalization. I did post the link with ALL the reasons. Try again.. but if you like trying to make ad hominem attacks instead of actually discussing. It just proves you are only defending the Government of Michigan and supporting the big business that is trying to destroy competition which a pretty poor position.


                            If they are not securely fenced then they are sure to be contributing
                            to the problem by interbreeding with the feral population.
                            Do you know any farmers who are so lazy they do not maintain their fencing and watch for breaks? I am quite willing to bet if a farmer is that lazy he would go out of business pretty fast.


                            Irrelevant and illogical to mention. No native or fenced type of these animals
                            have any significant harmful potential (Rabid squirrels?) as long as you avoid
                            approaching wildlife, and practice hygeinic food storage and cooking.
                            I just named a few wild animals that have much in common with the rationalization the DNR is using.


                            Native species which have evolved over 10s of 1000s of years to coexist
                            with the local environment. Feral pigs, introduced a few 100 years ago
                            from Eurasia, have not.
                            Lets go kill horses as well. They were not indigenous to the Americas. There are plenty of wild ones that are doing the same damage in this country. Your rebuttal is specious.


                            Dishonestly, by giving it undue prominence.
                            Continued rationalization when confronted with an act of deliberately stating something that was not said or thought.

                            Just the kind of thing we want to have great herds of running loose, huh?
                            Strawman... look it up if you don't understand what one is.


                            You might have a legitimate complaint here- I am not sure I would agree with
                            taking action against securely fenced animals, except maybe where they effect
                            soil erosion which cannot be confined.
                            But you are. By siding with the people doing this you are doing just that. Supporting them in going into family farms and wholesale slaughtering pigs for no other reason than they compete with big business successfully.


                            There is not yet enough news about what action the DNC is taking. If it
                            slaughters 1000s or even 100s of specially bred "heritage" pigs there should
                            be plenty of news about it. That tells me little or nothing has yet been done
                            to implement the regulations, which were to go into effect April 1.
                            So if there is only one article in a local paper it is not enough news? Look at the original link I provided it has many links inside the article itself. How many do you want? Or do you need a newspaper to write an article for you to believe anything?

                            Do you have a keyboard problem? Why do you think the Democrats have anything to do with this? It is DNR not DNC.


                            Besides this pig stuff, what's their gripe?
                            They say you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.

                            Government interfering with people when there is no valid reason or need.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

                              Originally posted by USViking View Post
                              Somebody is probably thinking of posting some crap about DNC commando raiders
                              terrorizing innocent farmers and slaughtering their animals, so here is a news link
                              datelined today indicating no big deal so far:

                              Michigan DNR responds to allegations of 'armed raids on pig farmers'


                              (from link):
                              Lets see.

                              Michigan

                              More an article on the subject but wait.

                              April 18th

                              Invasive swine prompts DNR visit to Renegade Ranch, case in court Friday - Cheboygan, MI - Cheboygan Daily Tribune

                              Some miscellaneous from around Michigan.

                              "Does Anyone Know What It Feels Like to Open Fire on 20 Baby Piglets?" - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

                              April 16th

                              Michigan DNR Nazis Raid Pig Farmers, Forces Farmer To Shoot His Pigs.

                              Your choice, shoot your pigs or be fined, go to jail and we shoot them.

                              April 17th

                              Michigan DNR Raids Two Small Pig Farms Forcing Farmer to Shoot His Own Pigs | The Lone Republic | News, Politics and Opinion from a Liberty perspective

                              April 17th - an update

                              Michigan DNR Attacks Free-range Family Farms to Protect Pork Industry | Health Impact News

                              Just do a google on Michigan DNR Pigs

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