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  • USViking
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    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    You do know we are talking about Michigan right?...
    Nothing in this post provides any evidence to support OP,
    and nothing in it is worth reponding to.

    I'll keep an eye on further thread developments for a while
    just in case, but I might not have an thing else to say unless
    some unexpected excitement develops.

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  • USViking
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    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Again you are trying to twist and wiggle out of your original ad hominem. I said I found it funny because you can use that argument on so many other animals. But enjoy yourself with lame rationalizations.
    “You made a dishonest selective quote”= accurate, honest criticism
    of your debating tactics. “You are a dickhead”= ad hominem.

    I can add a real ad hominem if it will make you happy, but I’ve been
    trying to be nicer to folks lately, and would really rather not.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Is that a slip there? On a farm fences are to keep animals IN more than out. Additionally assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. Good quote from a movie.
    Undomesticated wild animals might be more likely to do things like break
    down fences than their more well-mannered domestic tame relatives.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    So going after the animals that are maintained in farms rather than hunt down the ones that are actually wild is the answer?
    I do not know enough about the biological non-compliance of any of the
    animals now in private hands to understand why they must be targeted
    even if they are securely fenced.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    So what you are saying is if the public is supportive it is okay to let something destroy the land but not other species. Same rationalization for letting China and other third world countries build dirty coal generation and dirty factories and punish countries like the US.
    No, I said that the cult-like public attitude toward wild horses was a “problem”.
    Your analogy to defective Chinese energy and manufacturing policy makes no sense.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    I would love some citation to back that one up. You are making the claim it is your onus to prove what you are saying.
    No problemmo:

    A brief history of the horse in America

    (from link):
    Pliohippus lived in N. America from 14.5 — 6 MYA (Pliocene) during a time of expanding plains and grasses and rapid branching and evolution of horse-species.

    Pliohippus gradually gave rise to Dinohippus, which lived in N. America 8 — 5 MYA, which gave rise to Equus which is the modern horse genus.

    In the Early Pleistocene (3 mya) horses spread to Eurasia over the Bering land bridge, displacing earlier Hipparion ancestors there and gave rise to modern horses in the north and zebras and asses in hotter climes

    North American horses disappeared around 8,000 - 10,000 years ago. Multiple factors including hunting by early Natives, climate change, and disease are thought to have helped contribute to their demise. They disappeared around the same time as other large mammals like Wooly Mammoths.


    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Sorry you cannot keep up. Goats are said to eat anything, tin cans etc. Cartoons and other places joke about it. But Pigs really do eat just about anything including humans if they are allowed to. Sorry maybe you were more sheltered in your childhood and never saw a cartoons joking about a goat eating a tin can.
    I know about goats and tin cans, but not how bringing them up is connected
    with the issue of feral hogs and what to do about them. My guess is that you
    were just babbling, and I thought I would turn your babble around and use it against you.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    I typo as well, just very strange for a constant typo that far away on the keyboard. Normal typos are the letters around the one you want. Either way you finally figured out what I was talking about.
    You are right. I committed a very strange typo.

    Give yourself 1/10 of a point for catching it.

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  • Wlessard
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    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by USViking View Post
    Most of the events described below are probably a pack of lies.
    The mega agribusiness mega hog farmers are not so powerful
    that they can get both the media and the politicians (who are
    natural enemies) in bed with them. G-Men riding roughshod over
    farmers and wiping out their livestock would be big news, covered
    by more outlets than one small local paper the crackpot blogs
    Mr. Wlessard is serving up.
    You do know we are talking about Michigan right? The land of the Mafia Controlled Unions that have some of the biggest corporations in the in a stranglehold. If you really think that big business cannot influence a government agency in a State you must have been living under a rock all your life.

    (1) DNR indicated in the cite I posted that agents would have to obtain court order
    and otherwise follow due process. If information in this blog is true, it makes one
    judicial case for the whole state of Michigan so far.

    (2) Contradicted by DRN, and I would like to see some photos of the dead animals.
    There should be a lot of them since it supposedly took 12 agents to kill them all (12?!)

    (3) Contradicted by DRN.

    (4) Contradicted by DRN. (quote from link): “Knowing the DNR were on their way to
    his property, one farmer chose to shoot his own pigs, including his baby piglets, in order
    to avoid being arrested as a felon.”?
    I would like to have this farmer’s name, please.
    Photos too. Don’t these farmers and their local newspapers know what camera is?

    (5) Going to court. That is two court cases for the whole state of Michigan so far.
    Here is another article.

    Feral swine update: April 1 enforcement starts for invasive species order | MLive.com

    It even has pictures for those who cannot read.

    Here is a nice quote from the opening paragraph.

    Only 105 feral pigs were officially sighted, killed or found dead in Michigan last year, a fraction of the population wildlife authorities believe is on the loose.
    Authorities believe... really. I can't find any place where it says citizens are calling for this. Again they are going after the maintained livestock not the wild ones that may actually be a problem.

    Which would you do btw. Shoot your livestock OR faces fines for each pig you have AND go to jail on a felony? I do agree in life you have a choice no matter what and you make that choice but at the same time some choices are worse than others.

    One of the articles I linked.

    (NaturalNews) NaturalNews can now confirm that the Michigan Department of Natural Resources has, in total violation of the Fourth Amendment, conducted two armed raids on pig farmers in that state, one in Kalkaska County at Fife Lake and another in Cheboygan County. Staging raids involving six vehicles and ten armed men, DNA conducted unconstitutional, illegal and arguablycriminalarmed raids on these two farms with the intent of shooting all the farmers' pigs under a bizarre new "Invasive Species Order" (ISO) that has suddenly declared traditional livestock to be an invasive species.
    I will agree this is not suddenly, since the bill was passed in 2010 and signed in 2011 with the April 1st 2012 enforcement date.

    I can do a search on several criteria and come up with 100's of news sources talking about this. They are not all the same article but some are just picking up the news and repeating. That does not disqualify what is happening.

    As some of the articles show not all of them are actually heading to court. Some are simply, Hi we are here and this is our warrant.

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  • Wlessard
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    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by USViking View Post
    Did you say it was a little thing, which it is? No, and by not
    mentioning the big things you conveyed a mistaken impression
    meant only to make the DNR look foolish. Exposing devious
    behavior is not a form of ad hominem. So far I like the state
    of Michigan a lot better than those crackpot blogs of yours.
    Big Business I am not so fond of, and they are probably about
    on a par with your bloggers.
    Again you are trying to twist and wiggle out of your original ad hominem. I said I found it funny because you can use that argument on so many other animals. But enjoy yourself with lame rationalizations.


    “Free ranging” cattle are allowed to graze on public land in some
    areas, and I was wondering if hogs were too. Also, It takes quite
    a fence to keep out a 200-lb wild boar, doesn’t it?
    Is that a slip there? On a farm fences are to keep animals IN more than out. Additionally assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. Good quote from a movie.


    You do know that neglecting problem a does not justify neglect
    of any other problem, right? Not that your animals, Mosquitoes aside,
    have the potential to do the harm feral pigs do. I mean, rabid squirrels?
    So going after the animals that are maintained in farms rather than hunt down the ones that are actually wild is the answer?

    Feral horses do some damage, and the herds do need culling.
    The problem is they are symbols of the Old West, and have a
    huge public cult following. I doubt they do as much damage
    as feral pigs because they inhabit as bad to much worse land
    than cattle can survive on. There just is not as much in wild horse
    habitat to be damaged.
    So what you are saying is if the public is supportive it is okay to let something destroy the land but not other species. Same rationalization for letting China and other third world countries build dirty coal generation and dirty factories and punish countries like the US.

    It might also interest you to know that horses originated in
    the Americas, and did not become extinct here until about
    12,000 years ago. The American environment might be residually
    used to them due to their presence during millions of years of evolution.
    I would love some citation to back that one up. You are making the claim it is your onus to prove what you are saying.


    Not any kind of straw man by me, although the remark about
    the goats was a non sequitur by you (how’s you Latin?) I do not
    know what point you were trying to make, but you left yourself
    open for getting your example turned against you, and you paid for it.
    Sorry you cannot keep up. Goats are said to eat anything, tin cans etc. Cartoons and other places joke about it. But Pigs really do eat just about anything including humans if they are allowed to. Sorry maybe you were more sheltered in your childhood and never saw a cartoons joking about a goat eating a tin can.


    Typo.
    I typo as well, just very strange for a constant typo that far away on the keyboard. Normal typos are the letters around the one you want. Either way you finally figured out what I was talking about.


    BTW since you apparently think you are knowledgeable you would be aware that many species can carry disease and not be affected by it. Squirrels, Bats as well carry rabies but rarely actually go rabid. The same with many animals.

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  • John Drake
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    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    (clip), rabid squirrels?

    Hey...whattaya want...you want women,?I got groupies in droves, money, shit my last concert alone will keep you in nuts forever....a contract....Alvin and the rest of you will never have to listen to that asshole yell at you again....I mean literallly anything you want, just PLEASE DON'T HURT ME.....Ted Nugent, to a rabid squirrel :rolleyes:

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  • USViking
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Most of the events described below are probably a pack of lies.
    The mega agribusiness mega hog farmers are not so powerful
    that they can get both the media and the politicians (who are
    natural enemies) in bed with them. G-Men riding roughshod over
    farmers and wiping out their livestock would be big news, covered
    by more outlets than one small local paper the crackpot blogs
    Mr. Wlessard is serving up.
    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Lets see.

    Michigan

    More an article on the subject but wait.

    April 18th

    (1) Invasive swine prompts DNR visit to Renegade Ranch, case in court Friday - Cheboygan, MI - Cheboygan Daily Tribune

    Some miscellaneous from around Michigan.

    (2) "Does Anyone Know What It Feels Like to Open Fire on 20 Baby Piglets?" - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

    April 16th

    (3) Michigan DNR Nazis Raid Pig Farmers, Forces Farmer To Shoot His Pigs.

    Your choice, shoot your pigs or be fined, go to jail and we shoot them.

    April 17th

    (4) Michigan DNR Raids Two Small Pig Farms Forcing Farmer to Shoot His Own Pigs | The Lone Republic | News, Politics and Opinion from a Liberty perspective

    April 17th - an update

    (5) Michigan DNR Attacks Free-range Family Farms to Protect Pork Industry | Health Impact News

    Just do a google on Michigan DNR Pigs
    (1) DNR indicated in the cite I posted that agents would have to obtain court order
    and otherwise follow due process. If information in this blog is true, it makes one
    judicial case for the whole state of Michigan so far.

    (2) Contradicted by DRN, and I would like to see some photos of the dead animals.
    There should be a lot of them since it supposedly took 12 agents to kill them all (12?!)

    (3) Contradicted by DRN.

    (4) Contradicted by DRN. (quote from link): “Knowing the DNR were on their way to
    his property, one farmer chose to shoot his own pigs, including his baby piglets, in order
    to avoid being arrested as a felon.”?
    I would like to have this farmer’s name, please.
    Photos too. Don’t these farmers and their local newspapers know what camera is?

    (5) Going to court. That is two court cases for the whole state of Michigan so far.

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  • USViking
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    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Still trying to justify your assumption and attempt to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head? Did I say it was the only thing? NO I said "this" meaning I am commenting on that specific rationalization. I did post the link with ALL the reasons. Try again.. but if you like trying to make ad hominem attacks instead of actually discussing. It just proves you are only defending the Government of Michigan and supporting the big business that is trying to destroy competition which a pretty poor position.
    Did you say it was a little thing, which it is? No, and by not
    mentioning the big things you conveyed a mistaken impression
    meant only to make the DNR look foolish. Exposing devious
    behavior is not a form of ad hominem. So far I like the state
    of Michigan a lot better than those crackpot blogs of yours.
    Big Business I am not so fond of, and they are probably about
    on a par with your bloggers.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Do you know any farmers who are so lazy they do not maintain their fencing and watch for breaks? I am quite willing to bet if a farmer is that lazy he would go out of business pretty fast.
    “Free ranging” cattle are allowed to graze on public land in some
    areas, and I was wondering if hogs were too. Also, It takes quite
    a fence to keep out a 200-lb wild boar, doesn’t it?



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    just named a few wild animals that have much in common with the rationalization the DNR is using.
    You do know that neglecting problem a does not justify neglect
    of any other problem, right? Not that your animals, Mosquitoes aside,
    have the potential to do the harm feral pigs do. I mean, rabid squirrels?



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Lets go kill horses as well. They were not indigenous to the Americas. There are plenty of wild ones that are doing the same damage in this country. Your rebuttal is specious.
    Feral horses do some damage, and the herds do need culling.
    The problem is they are symbols of the Old West, and have a
    huge public cult following. I doubt they do as much damage
    as feral pigs because they inhabit as bad to much worse land
    than cattle can survive on. There just is not as much in wild horse
    habitat to be damaged.

    It might also interest you to know that horses originated in
    the Americas, and did not become extinct here until about
    12,000 years ago. The American environment might be residually
    used to them due to their presence during millions of years of evolution.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Continued rationalization when confronted with an act of deliberately stating something that was not said or thought.
    Addressed above.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Strawman... look it up if you don't understand what one is.
    Not any kind of straw man by me, although the remark about
    the goats was a non sequitur by you (how’s you Latin?) I do not
    know what point you were trying to make, but you left yourself
    open for getting your example turned against you, and you paid for it.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    But you are. By siding with the people doing this you are doing just that. Supporting them in going into family farms and wholesale slaughtering pigs for no other reason than they compete with big business successfully...

    Look at the original link I provided it has many links inside the article itself. How many do you want? Or do you need a newspaper to write an article for you to believe anything?
    To be addressed in my next post.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    So if there is only one article in a local paper it is not enough news?
    Absolutely not. See next post.



    Originally posted by Wlessard
    Do you have a keyboard problem? Why do you think the Democrats have anything to do with this? It is DNR not DNC.
    Typo.

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  • Wlessard
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by USViking View Post
    Somebody is probably thinking of posting some crap about DNC commando raiders
    terrorizing innocent farmers and slaughtering their animals, so here is a news link
    datelined today indicating no big deal so far:

    Michigan DNR responds to allegations of 'armed raids on pig farmers'


    (from link):
    Lets see.

    Michigan

    More an article on the subject but wait.

    April 18th

    Invasive swine prompts DNR visit to Renegade Ranch, case in court Friday - Cheboygan, MI - Cheboygan Daily Tribune

    Some miscellaneous from around Michigan.

    "Does Anyone Know What It Feels Like to Open Fire on 20 Baby Piglets?" - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

    April 16th

    Michigan DNR Nazis Raid Pig Farmers, Forces Farmer To Shoot His Pigs.

    Your choice, shoot your pigs or be fined, go to jail and we shoot them.

    April 17th

    Michigan DNR Raids Two Small Pig Farms Forcing Farmer to Shoot His Own Pigs | The Lone Republic | News, Politics and Opinion from a Liberty perspective

    April 17th - an update

    Michigan DNR Attacks Free-range Family Farms to Protect Pork Industry | Health Impact News

    Just do a google on Michigan DNR Pigs

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  • Wlessard
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by USViking View Post
    Your selective quotation was deceitful, no assumptions necessary.
    You skipped the "two main reasons" feral swine are harmful, and
    focused exclusively on a minor reason as though it were the only reason.
    Still trying to justify your assumption and attempt to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head?

    Did I say it was the only thing? NO I said "this" meaning I am commenting on that specific rationalization. I did post the link with ALL the reasons. Try again.. but if you like trying to make ad hominem attacks instead of actually discussing. It just proves you are only defending the Government of Michigan and supporting the big business that is trying to destroy competition which a pretty poor position.


    If they are not securely fenced then they are sure to be contributing
    to the problem by interbreeding with the feral population.
    Do you know any farmers who are so lazy they do not maintain their fencing and watch for breaks? I am quite willing to bet if a farmer is that lazy he would go out of business pretty fast.


    Irrelevant and illogical to mention. No native or fenced type of these animals
    have any significant harmful potential (Rabid squirrels?) as long as you avoid
    approaching wildlife, and practice hygeinic food storage and cooking.
    I just named a few wild animals that have much in common with the rationalization the DNR is using.


    Native species which have evolved over 10s of 1000s of years to coexist
    with the local environment. Feral pigs, introduced a few 100 years ago
    from Eurasia, have not.
    Lets go kill horses as well. They were not indigenous to the Americas. There are plenty of wild ones that are doing the same damage in this country. Your rebuttal is specious.


    Dishonestly, by giving it undue prominence.
    Continued rationalization when confronted with an act of deliberately stating something that was not said or thought.

    Just the kind of thing we want to have great herds of running loose, huh?
    Strawman... look it up if you don't understand what one is.


    You might have a legitimate complaint here- I am not sure I would agree with
    taking action against securely fenced animals, except maybe where they effect
    soil erosion which cannot be confined.
    But you are. By siding with the people doing this you are doing just that. Supporting them in going into family farms and wholesale slaughtering pigs for no other reason than they compete with big business successfully.


    There is not yet enough news about what action the DNC is taking. If it
    slaughters 1000s or even 100s of specially bred "heritage" pigs there should
    be plenty of news about it. That tells me little or nothing has yet been done
    to implement the regulations, which were to go into effect April 1.
    So if there is only one article in a local paper it is not enough news? Look at the original link I provided it has many links inside the article itself. How many do you want? Or do you need a newspaper to write an article for you to believe anything?

    Do you have a keyboard problem? Why do you think the Democrats have anything to do with this? It is DNR not DNC.


    Besides this pig stuff, what's their gripe?
    They say you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.

    Government interfering with people when there is no valid reason or need.

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  • USViking
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Somebody is probably thinking of posting some crap about DNC commando raiders
    terrorizing innocent farmers and slaughtering their animals, so here is a news link
    datelined today indicating no big deal so far:

    Michigan DNR responds to allegations of 'armed raids on pig farmers'


    (from link):
    ...NaturalNews.com editor Mike Adams contends the DNR "has, in total violation of the Fourth Amendment, conducted two armed raids on pig farmers in that state, one in Kalkaska County at Fife Lake and another in Cheboygan County.

    ...Alongside the article at NaturalNews.com is a photo of a group of four pigs with what appear to be members of a helmeted team creeping around behind them. The photo is credited to the website.

    ...DNR public information officer Ed Golder said allegations of conservation officers being involved in "armed raids on pig farmers" are just not true.

    "There was one instance where the (conservation officers) asked to inspect a site on April 1. The owner denied access to the officers and told them to get a warrant," Golder said. "The officers returned on April 13 with an administrative inspection warrant."

    Golder said the administrative inspection warrant isn't a criminal warrant, it just allows the officers to inspect the premises in a reasonable manner.

    The DNR website says conservation officers are "fully commissioned as state peace officers with full power and authority to enforce Michigan's criminal laws." And, yes, they can carry guns.

    The conservation officers found no invasive feral swine at the location, dead or alive, Golder said, and he disputes the notion that officers shot or forced anyone to shoot their swine.

    "The DNR has not fired one shot or killed one pig while enforcing this order," Golder said.

    Golder said the DNR worked with many farmers and ranchers in the months leading up to the April deadline to help them find out-of-state buyers for their feral swine.

    ..."Enforcement thus far has gone very well," Golder said. "Almost all the places we've visited are in compliance and have been very cooperative."

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  • Wlessard
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by Agnostick View Post
    Really? I shared a link to a well-respected magazine... an article I remember from last year. The entire article is online, free access--no registration required. I pulled out a couple of quotes that I thought were interesting. I think it's a well-written, fairly-objective article on feral hogs.

    And all you wanted to do is pick a fight.

    Wow.
    No I am wondering why you didn't comment and present your own thoughts and explain why that article was relevant and what the quoted articles meant to you.

    Without that I have to just wing it and comment on them without your input. I can't read your mind so I free form a response. If you don't like it maybe you should have spent a little time presenting your personal thoughts as well about the article.

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  • USViking
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    I so love when someone ASSUMES what I am thinking. It shows complete dishonesty in a debate.

    I was pointing out how ludicrous I felt that particular distinction for the hogs was. Thank you for putting thoughts in my head.

    How about we look at all the reasons for this stupid and ignorant set of rules.
    Your selective quotation was deceitful, no assumptions necessary.
    You skipped the "two main reasons" feral swine are harmful, and
    focused exclusively on a minor reason as though it were the only reason.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    So farm bred free range pigs are destroying the environment? You could make a case for cows or any other livestock for that one. Deer for those running in the wild.
    If they are not securely fenced then they are sure to be contributing
    to the problem by interbreeding with the feral population.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Squirrels carry rabies, birds carry parasites, Cows can carry salmonella. Chicken when left out can carry salmonella as well.
    Irrelevant and illogical to mention. No native or fenced type of these animals
    have any significant harmful potential (Rabid squirrels?) as long as you avoid
    approaching wildlife, and practice hygeinic food storage and cooking.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    mosquitoes carry diseases.
    And we kill them on sight.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Many wild animals carry those as well Why are we focusing on this one animal for these problems?
    Native species which have evolved over 10s of 1000s of years to coexist
    with the local environment. Feral pigs, introduced a few 100 years ago
    from Eurasia, have not.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Already addressed this one.
    Dishonestly, by giving it undue prominence.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Most pigs will eat anything. They are more like a goat than the general assumption of what a goat eats.
    Just the kind of thing we want to have great herds of running loose, huh?



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    So do normal pigs. Whats the point? We are not talking wild pigs here we are talking pigs on a farm in pens that are built for them so they don't harm the enviroment. If the DNR.. btw it is DNR not DNC, truly wanted to go after the problem then they would be out hunting the wild ones not the ones constrained on farms.
    You might have a legitimate complaint here- I am not sure I would agree with
    taking action against securely fenced animals, except maybe where they effect
    soil erosion which cannot be confined.



    There is not yet enough news about what action the DNC is taking. If it
    slaughters 1000s or even 100s of specially bred "heritage" pigs there should
    be plenty of news about it. That tells me little or nothing has yet been done
    to implement the regulations, which were to go into effect April 1.



    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    The Michigan DNR has had a LONG history of screwing people and trying to control their lives beyond the reasonable. That is why you can go to upper Michigan and the UP and see signs that say DNR = Damn Near Russia and other similar sentiments.
    Besides this pig stuff, what's their gripe?

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  • Agnostick
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Ummm?

    Your point? Or do you feel you don't have to explain anything about your link or quotes?

    I find it funny in the first quote. The difference between domestic and feral.

    So put a pig in a pen, like the chickens that liberals howl about being stuck in cages and it is domestic.
    Let it roam the farm in and large enclosed area and it is feral.

    I suppose that means that if a family has a pig for a pet, which there are some, has only a feral pig not a domestic one.

    So how does that translate to cats and dogs. Doesn't it mean that a cat or dog live in a house with people make it domesticated?
    Really? I shared a link to a well-respected magazine... an article I remember from last year. The entire article is online, free access--no registration required. I pulled out a couple of quotes that I thought were interesting. I think it's a well-written, fairly-objective article on feral hogs.

    And all you wanted to do is pick a fight.

    Wow.

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  • michael h
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Of course large hog operations operate to protect the environment:


    North Carolina's Hog Waste Lagoons: A Public Health Time Bomb | Environmental Defense FundNorth Carolina's more than 3800 open-pit hog waste lagoons are contaminating the state's drinking water, polluting its air and streams, and threatening the state's economy according to a report released today by the North Carolina Environmental Defense Fund (NCEDF).

    The report, North Carolina's Hog Lagoons: Pitting Pork Waste Against Public Health and Environment, details how the primitive system used to treat the 19 million tons of hog waste produced annually in North Carolina is threatening the state's economy, public health and environment.

    The report highlights the danger posed by the nearly 550 abandoned lagoons in North Carolina. Abandoned hog waste lagoons often contain sludge laden with high levels of nutrient and heavy metal pollutants that have accumulated over the lifetime of the hog-raising operation. "Hog operators have little incentive to clean up abandoned lagoons because state law sets no time limit for when 'inactive' lagoons must be cleaned up and closed," said Rudek.

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  • Wlessard
    replied
    Re: Michigan going for animal genocide.

    Ummm?

    Your point? Or do you feel you don't have to explain anything about your link or quotes?

    I find it funny in the first quote. The difference between domestic and feral.

    So put a pig in a pen, like the chickens that liberals howl about being stuck in cages and it is domestic.
    Let it roam the farm in and large enclosed area and it is feral.

    I suppose that means that if a family has a pig for a pet, which there are some, has only a feral pig not a domestic one.

    So how does that translate to cats and dogs. Doesn't it mean that a cat or dog live in a house with people make it domesticated?

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