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Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

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  • Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

    It seems that Rahm Emanuel is heading down the same path as Boston mayor Thomas Menino when it comes to who can do business in his town.

    Emanuel goes after Chick-fil-A for boss
    Boston mayor Thomas M. Menino's letter to the president of Chick-fil-A on gay marriage - Downtown - Your Town - Boston.com

    Chick-Fil-A President, Dan Cathy has caused a bit of a stir by standing behind his views regarding traditional marriage but that doesn't seem to wash terribly well with the leadership of some cities.

    It should be noted that a Yelp search turns up 47 adult bookstores in Chicago and 24 in Boston as well as 138 and 73 gay bars respectively.

    Just sayin'.

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    Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

    The intolerance of the tolerant rears its ugly head.

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      Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

      Originally posted by lutherf View Post
      It seems that Rahm Emanuel is heading down the same path as Boston mayor Thomas Menino when it comes to who can do business in his town.
      Menino is known for being a gaffe prone idiot and is already walking back his comments. Well known liberals such as Alan Colmes and co have all come out and distanced themselves from this crap.

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        Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

        "I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltare

        I completely disagree with what Dan Cathy said. I think it was bigoted and ignorant.

        That said, it is his ABSOLUTE right to say it. Customers have an ABSOLUTE right to disagree with him and demonstrate it with their wallets.

        The problem comes in when you have elected officials like Rahm Emmanual in Chicago and Tom Menino in Boston saying that Chik-Fil-A is not welcome to do business in their cities based upon an expression of religious belief by the CEO of the company. That is a blatant violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendment.

        Defending popular speech is easy. But if freedom of speech is to mean anything, then unpopular speech must be equally defended against government suppression.
        As a consumer, each of us can chose to punish Chik-Fil-A by not going there. But we cannot - we MUST not - condone government punishing a company for speech, no matter how unpopular.

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          Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

          I think Menino's walk back kind of resembles the Voltare quote now ; but most legal scholars seem to indicate that Chick-Fil-A may be in some hot water here. The head of their company has often said that they want married people working for them ; it is not a recognized union for most homosexuals to marry one another and thus with these latest comments on homosexuality, it may give the indication that those hiring policies discriminate upon homosexuals altogether. I don't think much will come of it, but if civil rights groups chose to go after Cathy it may lead to a re-writing of the Leadwater act.

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            Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

            Originally posted by lutherf View Post
            It seems that Rahm Emanuel is heading down the same path as Boston mayor Thomas Menino when it comes to who can do business in his town.

            Emanuel goes after Chick-fil-A for boss
            Boston mayor Thomas M. Menino's letter to the president of Chick-fil-A on gay marriage - Downtown - Your Town - Boston.com

            Chick-Fil-A President, Dan Cathy has caused a bit of a stir by standing behind his views regarding traditional marriage but that doesn't seem to wash terribly well with the leadership of some cities.

            It should be noted that a Yelp search turns up 47 adult bookstores in Chicago and 24 in Boston as well as 138 and 73 gay bars respectively.

            Just sayin'.
            First of all, and as illustrated by your Yelp search, Rahm is correct, Dan Cathy and Chick-Fil-A don't share Chicago values. They are good clean Christian folk (too much so fro my taste... but hey).

            And Dan Cathy hasn't shot anyone in the last week or so...

            I know from cases here, if Chick-Fil-A sues... anywhere but in Cook and Suffolk Counties... they will win. They have the law on their side. Zoning law at least... (I read somewhere yesterday that Chick-Fil-A has zoning board approval and lacks only Board of aldermen approval for the lot sub-divide)

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              Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
              "I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltare

              I completely disagree with what Dan Cathy said. I think it was bigoted and ignorant.

              That said, it is his ABSOLUTE right to say it. Customers have an ABSOLUTE right to disagree with him and demonstrate it with their wallets.

              The problem comes in when you have elected officials like Rahm Emmanual in Chicago and Tom Menino in Boston saying that Chik-Fil-A is not welcome to do business in their cities based upon an expression of religious belief by the CEO of the company. That is a blatant violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendment.

              Defending popular speech is easy. But if freedom of speech is to mean anything, then unpopular speech must be equally defended against government suppression.
              As a consumer, each of us can chose to punish Chik-Fil-A by not going there. But we cannot - we MUST not - condone government punishing a company for speech, no matter how unpopular.
              I agree.

              Perhaps I have a bit of a different gut feeling about this than some, as mayor is an a-political position in the Netherlands (they are appointed by the queen). But in any case it makes me feel uneasy when such a high figure from the "executive branch" appearantly wants to ward off a business simply for the beliefs of its owner.

              As for the restaurant. I can't say that I care about what religion the owner adheres. I don't select my restaurants on the base of that. I would be more interested in its opinions and actions regarding the treatment of chicken.

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                Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                Originally posted by ThorHammer View Post
                The intolerance of the tolerant rears its ugly head.
                Yep, the left is only tolerant on the things they believe in. Like the cons, they are extremely intolerant. Yet that is understandable, coming from the republicans. The left is extremely intolerant when someone who owns a business has an opinion on social issues that they do not like. So, they go out to damage the guy, because of his views. I guess they really don't believe in the freedom to believe what you want to believe.

                I detest this sort of behavior from both sides. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for acting like anything but a reasonable adult human being. And they should be called out on it, until their damn ears bleed.

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                  Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  Yep, the left is only tolerant on the things they believe in. Like the cons, they are extremely intolerant. Yet that is understandable, coming from the republicans. The left is extremely intolerant when someone who owns a business has an opinion on social issues that they do not like. So, they go out to damage the guy, because of his views. I guess they really don't believe in the freedom to believe what you want to believe.

                  I detest this sort of behavior from both sides. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for acting like anything but a reasonable adult human being. And they should be called out on it, until their damn ears bleed.
                  Give me a couple of examples of where conservative politicians have tried to stop a business from opening because of political values.

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                    Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    Yep, the left is only tolerant on the things they believe in. Like the cons, they are extremely intolerant. Yet that is understandable, coming from the republicans. The left is extremely intolerant when someone who owns a business has an opinion on social issues that they do not like. So, they go out to damage the guy, because of his views. I guess they really don't believe in the freedom to believe what you want to believe.

                    I detest this sort of behavior from both sides. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for acting like anything but a reasonable adult human being. And they should be called out on it, until their damn ears bleed.
                    No, they should be voted out.

                    As for Chick fil A, they don't proselytize chickens. Their social views have zero bearing on the goods they sell. Rahm Emmanuel, the great tolerant communicator, ought to be ashamed for trampling the freedom of expression of the owner.

                    He's a putz, and has always been.

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                      Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan
                      Give me a couple of examples of where conservative politicians have tried to stop a business from opening because of political values.
                      To be fair, Mississippi is doing something similar when it comes to Planned Parenthood. They are going to make it impossible for the one abortion clinic they have in the state to remain there, but i fully support that as PP is a despicable organization, and i am as opposed to abortion as it gets. They sicken me and to be honest, it suits my agenda so i am all in favor of it. Does it make me a hypocrite? I don't care ; human life comes first for me.

                      There are other examples of it, based on social issues and various culture wars such as a convent fighting the opening of a strip club in Chicago, and politicians on either side fighting for and against, so it does happen. I just happen to find it purely acceptable in some instances per my social views being fought for.

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                        Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        Yep, the left is only tolerant on the things they believe in. Like the cons, they are extremely intolerant. Yet that is understandable, coming from the republicans. The left is extremely intolerant when someone who owns a business has an opinion on social issues that they do not like. So, they go out to damage the guy, because of his views. I guess they really don't believe in the freedom to believe what you want to believe.
                        You are absolutely correct that both sides do it, and in some cases it is warranted as the only way to end something is in fact an end around to the rules.

                        I detest this sort of behavior from both sides. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for acting like anything but a reasonable adult human being. And they should be called out on it, until their damn ears bleed.
                        Meh, i am not opposed to it at all times, sometimes the only way to go about it and truly destroy the evil you despise is to deflate them by fighting them to the core, even if it is underhanded etc, or you have an end around the system like the new Governor in Mississippi is.

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                          Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                          OK already, what does "meh" mean, or is it "me" spelled incorrectly?

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                            Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                            Just a sluggish wort of shrug of the shoulders showing an ambivalent disregard of the principled objection of the person i am replying to. And unfortunately, in kind of a condescending disenfranchising way of demeaning his or her legitimate gripe. Or that i just struggle to give a shit on that personal perceived affliction. What it means to me, anyway though i probably over analyzed that and made me self look a cruel and cold person.

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                              Re: Cities seeking to ban Chick-Fil-A?

                              Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                              OK already, what does "meh" mean, or is it "me" spelled incorrectly?
                              Basically means "I don't care".

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