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  • Chicago Teacher's Strike

    I'm surprised I haven't seen anything on the teacher's strike in Chicago. Even the Godfather says it's a strike of choice. It seems the teachers have been offered a 16% pay raise on top of an average salary of about 75K. Not bad income for 9 month's work. Appears to me that the teachers are more concerned about income than education.

    Emanuel said the district had offered the teachers a 16 percent pay raise over four years, doubling an earlier offer. Current data show that, on average, teachers in the district make $74,839; administrators make $120,659 on average. During the 2012-2013 school year, there are 681 schools in the Chicago Public School District.
    Chicago Teachers Go on Strike for First Time in 25 Years| Rahm Emanuel | TheBlaze.com

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    I could swear that there was a thread on it somewhere...


    ...guess not.


    Anyway, I don't think it's so much the money they are after but it more the idea of protecting incompetent teachers from getting fired. If you listen to them their big argument is that standardized test scores aren't a good way to measure teacher performance (they don't bother to say what IS a good way). The other sticking point is that the city wants them to pay more into their own benefits and they aren't having any part of that.

    Emmanuel wants to allow the principals to pick their own teaching staffs since it's the principal who will be held responsible for school performance. The union is against that because THEY want to be the one who gets to choose who teaches where. It's all just one more reason to shitcan public service unions.
    Last edited by Lutherf; 09-10-2012, 10:20 PM.

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      Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

      My limited understanding from what I've seen and heard in the news media is that the teachers unions wants to protect teacher tenure, as well as full retirement benefits, and resisting any sort of reforms, such as teacher assessments based on their student scores. Further, it is my understanding that the school system being struck is already some millions in deficit, and is going to go up.

      My read is that the teachers union is worried about what happened in Wisconsin, and are looking to cement their contract into place while they can, before the landscape changes and they can't anymore.

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        Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        I'm surprised I haven't seen anything on the teacher's strike in Chicago. Even the Godfather says it's a strike of choice. It seems the teachers have been offered a 16% pay raise on top of an average salary of about 75K. Not bad income for 9 month's work. Appears to me that the teachers are more concerned about income than education.



        Chicago Teachers Go on Strike for First Time in 25 Years| Rahm Emanuel | TheBlaze.com
        Most people are concerned about income, even you. So was I. So that is a lame argument you used there oldman. The concern for income sent our manufacturing to communist china. Sometimes this concern for income hurts many other people. And creates problems for a nation that are hard to solve.

        With that said, I do not believe in public unions, period. FDR did not believe in them either.

        That the teachers union would ask for raises in times when cities are going bankrupt is the insanity here. Of course they are two peas in a pod with manufacturing who off shored to make more income. With the bankers who wanted a casino instead of soundness in banking.

        If allowed, human nature will destroy everything. Why do you think all world religions have blasted greed and other human nature elements for thousands of years? Just for shits and giggles? Our collective unconsious knows of the destructivness of greed, and when I was in school back in the 50s, we were actually taught just how BAD greed was. Now we are taught by society just how GOOD greed is. I think it is part of all republican platforms!

        If we don't get back to some sane policy, to lessen the ability of greed to affect the health of this nation, we will self destruct. The condition of this nation today is proof of what greed does. The only question I am concerned with is how did we go from less greedy to more greedy? What policies were changed in order to foster greed dictating outcomes?

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          Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          I'm surprised I haven't seen anything on the teacher's strike in Chicago. Even the Godfather says it's a strike of choice. It seems the teachers have been offered a 16% pay raise on top of an average salary of about 75K. Not bad income for 9 month's work. Appears to me that the teachers are more concerned about income than education.
          That rates a WTF in my book.

          Conincidentally, I got my annual 2% raise yesterday. If I have a bad day I could screw somebody's life up---not counting the ensuing malpractice suit. These people work 9 months out of the year for 76G and they want a 16% raise so they can approach the 6 Figure Club.

          These people and their union need to be 'Walkered'.

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            Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

            Originally posted by darth omar View Post
            That rates a WTF in my book.

            Conincidentally, I got my annual 2% raise yesterday. If I have a bad day I could screw somebody's life up---not counting the ensuing malpractice suit. These people work 9 months out of the year for 76G and they want a 16% raise so they can approach the 6 Figure Club.

            These people and their union need to be 'Walkered'.
            Yup. It's another instance of public sector unions and state or local government, even though the government side is resisting in this case, it still goes to the corrupt pattern.

            I'd be perfectly happy with the same public sector union agreement that is at the federal government level beinng applied at the state and local levels. At least it would be consistent.

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              You shouldn't be negotiating wage with the same people you help get elected.

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                Its great theatre seeing Labor Unions clashing with Democrat frauds who keep telling folks they can solve problems with other peoples money until they discover the piggybank is empty.

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                  Federal Subsidies to Chicago Schools: $4 Billion in 4 Years; $10,540 Per Student

                  (CNSNews.com) - Taxpayers in places as divergent as Florida and Montana, Nevada and New Hampshire, Arizona and Maine--as well as their children who will eventually need to pay the interest on the federal government's growing debt--may not think they have a stake in the Chicago teachers strike, but in fact the budgets of the Chicago Public Schools show that American taxpayers everywhere have literally billions at stake in what goes on in this one city's public school system.
                  Federal Subsidies to Chicago Schools: $4 Billion in 4 Years; $10,540 Per Student | cnsnews.com

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                    Unions steal with collective bargaining ... and the price is paid by citizens. Offensive ... so many quick to point out their misdeeds. Collective bargaining still remains a counter to wage manipulation of those who run the country. Whether you flood the market with immigrants or export production to China to steal ... it seems to have the approval of the vast majority. I can't see collective bargaining coming out on top in any scenario ... long term, but it sure would be nice to see people offended by theft ... not by support of the type of theft. It seems to always come down to the theft that the individual supports when deciding what to be offended by. It seems that even theft is partisan.

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                      Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      Federal Subsidies to Chicago Schools: $4 Billion in 4 Years; $10,540 Per Student



                      Federal Subsidies to Chicago Schools: $4 Billion in 4 Years; $10,540 Per Student | cnsnews.com
                      This is a good argument for getting rid of the Department of Education. A single school district gets $4,000,000,000 of our tax dollars, while they can't make ends meet and only about 60% of their kids finish school. Education, much like most federal departments, are redundantly handling what the states and cities should be responsible for.

                      I didn't research it, but I heard that 71% of the entire Chicago school budget goes to the teacher retirement system.

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                        Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

                        Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                        I could swear that there was a thread on it somewhere...


                        ...guess not.


                        Anyway, I don't think it's so much the money they are after but it more the idea of protecting incompetent teachers from getting fired. If you listen to them their big argument is that standardized test scores aren't a good way to measure teacher performance (they don't bother to say what IS a good way). The other sticking point is that the city wants them to pay more into their own benefits and they aren't having any part of that.

                        Emmanuel wants to allow the principals to pick their own teaching staffs since it's the principal who will be held responsible for school performance. The union is against that because THEY want to be the one who gets to choose who teaches where. It's all just one more reason to shitcan public service unions.
                        I actually linked this article here in the Failed Education Thread. Thought it was more appropriate than it's own thread. Also didn't see this one so at least I didn't duplicate it.

                        Chicago Teachers Union Demanding for 35% Pay Raise After Rejecting 16% – Is This A Joke?- Megyn Kelly | Mass Tea Party – Massachusetts Tea Party

                        Interesting. Teachers reject 16% raise and demand 35%. WTF....

                        Talk about a bullshit entitlement attitude. The figures about how many kids go to college from Chicago would in my opinion demand a LOWERING of wages for incompetence.

                        6 in 10 go on to a 4 year college while only 3 in 10 if you are a minority.

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                          Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                          Most people are concerned about income, even you. So was I. So that is a lame argument you used there oldman. The concern for income sent our manufacturing to communist china. Sometimes this concern for income hurts many other people. And creates problems for a nation that are hard to solve.

                          With that said, I do not believe in public unions, period. FDR did not believe in them either.

                          That the teachers union would ask for raises in times when cities are going bankrupt is the insanity here. Of course they are two peas in a pod with manufacturing who off shored to make more income. With the bankers who wanted a casino instead of soundness in banking.

                          If allowed, human nature will destroy everything. Why do you think all world religions have blasted greed and other human nature elements for thousands of years? Just for shits and giggles? Our collective unconsious knows of the destructivness of greed, and when I was in school back in the 50s, we were actually taught just how BAD greed was. Now we are taught by society just how GOOD greed is. I think it is part of all republican platforms!

                          If we don't get back to some sane policy, to lessen the ability of greed to affect the health of this nation, we will self destruct. The condition of this nation today is proof of what greed does. The only question I am concerned with is how did we go from less greedy to more greedy? What policies were changed in order to foster greed dictating outcomes?

                          It is true that most religions include lessons about the dangers of greed. The slow move of Western society into more secular nations certainly feeds into your theory – that people have become increasingly greedy. But that would fit more nicely into the Democrat platform – where half the room boos God – then the Republican platform.

                          You suggest the bad economic health of this nation is due to greed. Who’s greed? You say we need to get back to sane policy – to go back to a less greedy nation. When was this time period you speak of – when people were not greedy? I would seriously like to know what you have in mind.

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                            Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

                            Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
                            It is true that most religions include lessons about the dangers of greed. The slow move of Western society into more secular nations certainly feeds into your theory – that people have become increasingly greedy. But that would fit more nicely into the Democrat platform – where half the room boos God – then the Republican platform.

                            You suggest the bad economic health of this nation is due to greed. Who’s greed? You say we need to get back to sane policy – to go back to a less greedy nation. When was this time period you speak of – when people were not greedy? I would seriously like to know what you have in mind.
                            Well, greed is certainly a given. But we also seem to move along a continuum in regards to greed. Sometimes as a society, we are less greedy, and this would be represented by earlier times in our history. I did not see such greed in the upper tier of our society in the decades after ww2. The war effort required sacrifice, not only by our military men, but the citizens as well. We seemed to be able put some of the greed aside, sacrifice and work as a team. That working together which negates some of the greed is what helped us to ascend after the war. Afterall, even most of our corporations had a different mindset than today. The war bringing us together did that and as time advanced making america strong was no longer a goal of business, and we moved away from that. In other words, big business concentrated more on personal wealth, greed, than the health of america as a nation. I don't think it can be rejected that the mindset of business after ww2 was different than what we have today. Sure they still wanted to make good profits, but profits did not supercede the health of this nation. The war effort gave them that mindset. And of course that faded away with the passage of time.

                            The greed of unions hurt business in america, no doubt about that. When greed can find a place in which to exert power, in the elites, or even in the common man via unions, that is when trouble arises. Human nature is the most powerful force on earth. And human nature isn't always GOOD, constructive and so on. I believe the role of gov't is to eliminate as much as possible of the power of greed upon the nation. This is done by what sort of policy is enacted by gov't. It is like the speed limit signs on our hiways. We cannot trust people NOT to be reckless as they pursue their own gratification, so we have to attempt to bring some order, some way to temper the effects of human nature upon other people. You do this by taking away those areas in which greed can dictate things. And obvious example is not allowing banks to write banking policy. Another is you don't allow big business to write trade policy, but you write these things in an attempt to benefit the nation and her people. Because many times what banking or business wants is not in the best interest of this nation or her people. I think most of the policy written post ww2 had a goal in mind. And that goal was to grow the middle class and bring prosperity to average people after they had suffered the great depression and ww2. That was what formed policy, that goal. What goal does the nation have today? Obviously it isn't one that wants to substain the middle or grow it. We don't seem to have a goal, a plan for anything. We just seem to want to let shit happen, and go with the flow. Regardless of the damage done to america. I think greed is driving this. And it appears to be the greed of the few. Greed has replaced plans, a goal, in reference to the nation. The nation if of no importance, but the individual being driven by greed is.

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                              Re: Chicago Teacher's Strike

                              Originally posted by Texan View Post
                              This is a good argument for getting rid of the Department of Education. A single school district gets $4,000,000,000 of our tax dollars, while they can't make ends meet and only about 60% of their kids finish school. Education, much like most federal departments, are redundantly handling what the states and cities should be responsible for.

                              I didn't research it, but I heard that 71% of the entire Chicago school budget goes to the teacher retirement system.
                              There is a thread around here about our failed school system. Seems that the Chicago school system would fall into that category:
                              More expenses + worse performance = failed education system (at least in rational minds it seems - other? Meh)

                              Granted, different state, yet it speaks to entitlement attitude:

                              Sad Violin Alert: Michigan Teacher Upset She Can't Retire...at Age 47 - Kate Hicks

                              I wonder if a Reganesque move of firing them all would be a possible response? I'm sure that there are lots of unemployed teachers out there that'd be willing to take their place. Also insteresting is this:

                              'They Are A Bureaucratic Machine That Got Out of Control' Roscommon teachers bolt from the Michigan Education Association [Michigan Capitol Confidential]

                              So there is another way besides going along with the existing teachers union.

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