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  • Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

    Not sure what to make of this mess, but it will be interesting to see Perry have to submit for booking and a mugshot for this indictment.

    It looks like Perry abused his powers but I am not sure I buy the charges as said in the complaint. (There is a link in the CNN article to the complaint.) The timing of this is more suspect that Perry's said actions in dealing with this Democratic DA, and those actions.

    What do USPOL'ers have to say about this one as this looks like typical Texas politics to me?

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted on two felony charges

    (CNN) -- A grand jury has indicted Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, saying he abused his power by trying to pressure a district attorney to resign.

    The two felony counts against Perry, a Republican, stem from his threat to veto funding for a statewide public integrity unit run by Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg unless she stepped down, the special prosecutor in the case, Michael McCrum, said Friday.

    Perry attorney David L. Botsford on Friday called the indictment a "political abuse of the court system." He said the action "violated the separation of powers" and "sets a dangerous precedent by allowing a grand jury to punish the exercise of a lawful and constitutional authority afforded to the Texas governor."

    CNN affiliate KVUE reported that Perry will have to report to the Travis County Jail in the capital of Austin to be booked, fingerprinted and have his photo made for a mugshot.

    Perry is expected to make a statement from the state capitol at 2 p.m. CT (3 p.m. ET) Saturday, his office said.

    Perry can continue to serve as governor while under indictment, KVUE reported. His attorneys could seek to have the charges thrown out, a motion that would delay the case, at the very least.

    The grand jury in Travis County indicted the governor on charges of coercion of a public servant and abuse of his official capacity.

    The charges have serious political implications, both in Texas and beyond. Perry is entering his final few months in office after a historic 14-year run in Austin.

    ...

    According to McCrum, the indictment alleges that the circumstances around Perry's veto threat amounted to a misuse of state money earmarked by the Legislature to fund the public integrity unit in Travis County run by Lehmberg.

    The second charge alleges that he improperly used the veto threat to get her to resign following her arrest on a drunk driving charge. She stayed in office.

    "I'm ready to go forward (in) my task as district attorney. In this case, the grand jury has spoken and I'm going forward to carry out the duties that have been bestowed upon me," McCrum said.

    "I feel confident about the charges that have been filed," he added.

    Mary Anne Wiley, general counsel for Perry's office, said the "veto in question was made in accordance" with the authority "afforded to every governor" under the state's constitution.
    Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted - CNN.com

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    Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

    Isn't the why Perry forced the district attorney to resign an important fact that seems to be missing?



    This is the footage of Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg’s arrest.

    She was busted for drunk driving on April 12, 2013. She denied that she was driving drunk.

    See for yourself.

    There was an open bottle of vodka in Lehmberg’s car on the night of her arrest, in violation of the state’s open container law.

    In the video, Lehmberg taunts the arresting officers and even threatens them. One of the officers describes action that took place off camera, in which Lehmberg kicked doors and acted violently.
    The PJ Tatler ֲ» Meet Rosemary Lehmberg, Travis County District Attorney (And Drunk Driver)

    This district attorney seems to have issues of her own. Don't know if this arrest is related to this or not.

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      Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

      I would not eliminate anything at this point from the conversation, the DA clearly has some issues going on. I just find the timing of the whole thing more suspect than Perry's supposed actions.

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        Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

        How many times has Obama threatened a veto?

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          Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
          How many times has Obama threatened a veto?
          Before we go too far down the Obama path we should probably get to the bottom of this story first. See if a Democrat will stop by to defend the indictment (and this DA.)

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            Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

            Let's see what Think Progress has to say about all this:

            Even if Perry’s actions fall within these statutes, however, the special prosecutor bringing these charges may need to overcome a significant constitutional obstacle. In a statement released Friday evening, Perry’s attorney claims that “[t]he veto in question was made in accordance with the veto authority afforded to every governor under the Texas Constitution.” She may have a point.
            And that is Think Progress...

            Perry is going to raise a ton of money off of this and his name recognition will go up as a result... not much more.

            What You Need To Know About The Indictment Naming Texas Governor Rick Perry | ThinkProgress

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              Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

              This is the same office that went after Tom DeLay. Those folks in the Peoples Republic of Travis County are loony. She has a vendetta against Perry for insisting she resign after being convicted of drunk driving. If she hadn't picked grand jury members form Austin, it never would have gotten anywhere. All it is is a slam against Perry when he might run for President. Democrats will stop at nothing to destroy an opponent.

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                Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

                And I can see where this Republican's troubles with this be trumpeted across the media as front page news, where as Cuomo's scandal be relegated to the back pages, if covered at all.

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                  Perry indicted...

                  A Travis County grand jury on Friday indicted Perry for carrying out a threat to veto state funds to the local district attorney, an elected Democrat who refused to resign following a drunken-driving arrest. That 2013 veto prompted a criminal investigation.

                  "The details of my decision-making were very clear. I said early on that I was going to clearly veto those dollars as long as they had someone in that office who I had lost confidence in," Perry said. "And I had lost confidence."

                  Perry is the first Texas governor since 1917 to be indicted. The charges came as he has sought to reintroduce himself to Republican leaders and rank-and-file party members eager to win back the White House. Several stumbles during his presidential bid in 2012 led to his early departure from the race.

                  Perry's veto cut $7.5 million in funding to the state's ethics watchdog housed in the county district attorney's office. A state judge assigned a special prosecutor to investigate the veto following a complaint filed by a left-leaning watchdog group, which accused Perry of trying to leverage his power to force the resignation of District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg
                  Has Perry screwed up in his fight to get rid of the DA in Austin? Remember, this is supposed to be over the guy in Austin getting arrested while driving after consuming too much booze. Perry then vetoed funds that keep the office of ethic investigations up and running, and it has been said that this office only goes after republican politicians...and of course since texas is a red state, it should be no surprise that the people who have the most in power would naturally be the target, even with partisan politics aside.

                  To me this does look like an abuse of power, by Perry, but how do you guys feel about it? One must also remember that Austin has seemed to always elect dems to office locally there, for this is a pocket of democrats.

                  The outward appearance is this is troubling, the potential abuse of high office by Perry. Or is this just a left wing conspiracy, in a red state?

                  http://news.msn.com/us/defiant-gov-p...ous-indictment

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                    Re: Perry indicted...

                    Even the Governor has limited power (a.k.a. "Authority") to rid the public role that has abused his own power and rendered his department hypocritical and the subject of derision and disrepute.

                    One responsibility the governor does have, however, is the right and (sometimes) proper power of the veto. So how is it an illegal abuse of power for him to exercise that authority... Simply because he publicly told everyone that is what he was going to do?

                    Further, with the national election just a scant 2-years away, can this be viewed as anything but a bald-faced attempt to tarnish someone who could be a front-runner (an attempt by WHOM should be the only question here, IMO), particularly since a coward like Obama would never openly confront a popular governor for deploying his National Guard to protect his borders. You already know such an act would highly anger a megalomaniac like our president: Which begs the question of who is behind this farcical indictment!

                    personally, I did not like some of his positions last time he ran for the Republican nomination. But given this attack (and those yet to come), I have to applaud any candidate (or potential candidate) who, knowing this will come, still does not blanch from doing what he thinks is right (whether or not these are only campaign hat tricks). If he runs this time, I will take a fresh look at his candidacy.

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                      Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                      Even the Governor has limited power (a.k.a. "Authority") to rid the public role that has abused his own power and rendered his department hypocritical and the subject of derision and disrepute.

                      One responsibility the governor does have, however, is the right and (sometimes) proper power of the veto. So how is it an illegal abuse of power for him to exercise that authority... Simply because he publicly told everyone that is what he was going to do?

                      Further, with the national election just a scant 2-years away, can this be viewed as anything but a bald-faced attempt to tarnish someone who could be a front-runner (an attempt by WHOM should be the only question here, IMO), particularly since a coward like Obama would never openly confront a popular governor for deploying his National Guard to protect his borders. You already know such an act would highly anger a megalomaniac like our president: Which begs the question of who is behind this farcical indictment!

                      personally, I did not like some of his positions last time he ran for the Republican nomination. But given this attack (and those yet to come), I have to applaud any candidate (or potential candidate) who, knowing this will come, still does not blanch from doing what he thinks is right (whether or not these are only campaign hat tricks). If he runs this time, I will take a fresh look at his candidacy.
                      The grand jury that indicted him must have thought, or were told by the prosecutor that an illegal act had occurred. Of course, we also know that a grand jury can indict a ham sam'ich, or so the old saw goes.

                      Are you saying that politics has corrupted the justice system in texas? This is far past wagging fingers, making accusations, and a grand jury got involved.

                      Personally, I have no dog in this hunt, politically speaking, but not sure a gov. should be allowed to defund an agency that goes after illegalities committed by public officials. Simply because the office which this agency operates out of is headed by a guy who got arrested for driving while drunk. It would make more sense if the infraction was a felony, but then there would be just cause to remove him from office, without defunding an agency.

                      I can see how some people would believe that Perry used his office to go after a democrat he just didn't like, and the republicans didn't like because he kept his eyes open in regards to the activities of these republicans who serve the public. And as I said, in a red state one would expect that most of the public servants who got investigated would be republican, just by the numbers of them.

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                        Re: Perry indicted...

                        We already have a thread on this... merging.

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                          Re: Perry indicted...

                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                          The grand jury that indicted him must have thought, or were told by the prosecutor that an illegal act had occurred. Of course, we also know that a grand jury can indict a ham sam'ich, or so the old saw goes.

                          Are you saying that politics has corrupted the justice system in texas? This is far past wagging fingers, making accusations, and a grand jury got involved.

                          Personally, I have no dog in this hunt, politically speaking, but not sure a gov. should be allowed to defund an agency that goes after illegalities committed by public officials. Simply because the office which this agency operates out of is headed by a guy who got arrested for driving while drunk. It would make more sense if the infraction was a felony, but then there would be just cause to remove him from office, without defunding an agency.

                          I can see how some people would believe that Perry used his office to go after a democrat he just didn't like, and the republicans didn't like because he kept his eyes open in regards to the activities of these republicans who serve the public. And as I said, in a red state one would expect that most of the public servants who got investigated would be republican, just by the numbers of them.
                          Maybe not the entire Texas justice system... But assuredly at least those responsible for bringing such a indictment. Remember, implicitly, a grand jury's ONLY job is to determine if there is sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean a finding of guilt.

                          i am nearly certain the way it was argued played a big role in that outcome....

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                            Re: Perry indicted...

                            Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                            Maybe not the entire Texas justice system... But assuredly at least those responsible for bringing such a indictment. Remember, implicitly, a grand jury's ONLY job is to determine if there is sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean a finding of guilt.

                            i am nearly certain the way it was argued played a big role in that outcome....
                            Do you believe, using what is known to date, that Perry abused the power of his office? Is this a common used tactic, what Perry did?

                            For me, I really don't know, and remain ambivalent on it. I feel similar towards the Cochran/McDaniel deal here in my own state, the republican primary results and accusations from McDaniel. But with Perry, of course I am concerned with law being followed, and not broken, especially by a gov'nor of a state. But mostly because we have seen such selective enforcement by the executive branch in DC. I believe in the rule of law concept, and believe it should always be practiced as a matter of course.
                            Last edited by Sluggo; 08-17-2014, 09:43 AM. Reason: Removed double post

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                              Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted?

                              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                              Not sure what to make of this mess, but it will be interesting to see Perry have to submit for booking and a mugshot for this indictment.

                              It looks like Perry abused his powers but I am not sure I buy the charges as said in the complaint. (There is a link in the CNN article to the complaint.) The timing of this is more suspect that Perry's said actions in dealing with this Democratic DA, and those actions.

                              What do USPOL'ers have to say about this one as this looks like typical Texas politics to me?


                              Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicted - CNN.com
                              Oh, there is CLEAR abuse of power here, but not by Perry. The prosecutor for this case should be disbarred and then charged with criminal abuse of power himself.

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