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  • Korimir
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    Money in politics doesn't have anything to do with voter turnout-- the problem is that money controls the candidates we're allowed to vote for.

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  • JDJarvis
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    Originally posted by Danny View Post
    I don't like the idea. Automatic & universal registration on the other hand..now there is an idea.
    If someone can't take the time to fill out a form with a towm clerk, why should their opinion during elections matter? It took minutes for me to do it at the polling place before I voted (following my last move).

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  • Danny
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    I don't like the idea. Automatic & universal registration on the other hand..now there is an idea.

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  • Captain Trips
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    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

    I don't know, but Australia has it. And I think voting should be a duty, required, since we have made health insurance mandatory.

    This might be the only way to break the two party tyranny. So many people do not vote because they have given up, being totally disgusted with the two parties. This would bring them back in, and a 3rd party then becomes viable. Only a 3rd party will give us a chance to do electoral reform, which is the problem today, and the cause of the rise of the Oligarchy.
    And you believe that bringing them in by force is the way to go ?

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    If its good enough for Australia, its good enough for us. People should not shirk their civic duty, no more than they should shirk their duty to obey our laws.
    Laws ... what are laws ? Should people even follow laws that are created by a criminal enterprise ?

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    Which party would lose, by mandatory voting? I hope both of them would lose, so we can break the tyranny.

    If voting was mandatory, if would then perhaps force us into educating our kids again in civics, and do it well enough so that they understand our Republic, which might give us our Republic back. For we lost it.
    The motive is good I think, but the outcome is the very tyranny that you are against !

    Herding us around with more "laws" is exactly what we need LESS of !!

    Since 9-11 happened, America has been attacking itself and becoming less and less of the freedom loving country it once was. The icing on this cake was the installation into the Whitehouse of a man named Barack Hussein Obama as "president." Who has been doing everything in his power to destroy this nation and is given a free pass to do so, because we're all so afraid of our own shadow, none of us dare speak the truth !!!

    ... and so we think even MORE laws are needed to "fix" things.

    No !! Wrong choice.

    Laws aren't the answer.

    =---------
    ..........

    Obama could not care less whether Obamacare is meant to succeed. He has managed to create chaos, worry, and enormous financial hardship for Americans. This is his ultimate goal. It does not matter if there is disarray; one can call it single payer or universal healthcare -- the only parameter that matters is the pain and suffering it affords millions of Americans.

    ........

    This is a man who sees everything through the lens of race and his revulsion of one group in particular. Why would cultural cleansing disturb a man such as Obama when he will not use American influence and power to save people from ethnic cleansing?

    But one may counter by saying -- what of the irreplaceable relics that are being destroyed i.e., Assyrian relics? They are not from Europe. Well, a good Muslim views those as pre-Islamic, and not worthy of existing. Consequently, there is no attempt to end the brutal and systematic destruction of entire civilizations' works of art and sculpture -- in other words, a look into a world beyond Islam.

    .......

    With nothing to hold him back, Obama's true colors emerge more clearly each day.


    http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...mas_locus.html
    Last edited by Captain Trips; 03-21-2015, 10:10 AM.

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  • Captain Trips
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    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    Idiocracy was a brilliant film, social satirewith scifi trappings. Like much science fiction it uses a dressing of science to move a story forawrd and while the tale may take place in the future it's actually alll about the time it was written (or filmed) in. THE Time Machine and 1984 are both grreat examples of tis and while idiocracy was a goofy fart comdey it had very valid social messages but most of the audienc can'. understand that.
    A few of us got it.

    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    Folks that can't name both of the senators from their state now aren't going to get any better at it if forced to waddle to the voting office between picking up a cup of coffee at a drive-thru and buying a sweet, fat and salty meal on the way home.
    So sadly, disgusting and true.

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  • Blue Doggy
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    Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
    Mandatory voting would be a horrible idea. If we were to change anything I'd actually prefer voting to be more restrictive. For example, if you do not pay taxes then you cannot vote. It seems counter intuitive to have a voting block that takes public money but does not pay into it. If you don't have any skin in the game then you have less incentive to be concerned about how efficient it runs or how strict it's regulated.

    That's just an off-the-cuff idea, not necessarily an actual suggestion.
    It would be an incentive to change economic policy so that most of us do have skin in the game. Mandatory voting would be a game changer, that is for sure. It might even force DC to clean up its act. It might get our kids better educated, and it might get loads of people off of welfare, so that they would not have a reason to vote for the bread and circuses candidates.

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  • Blue Doggy
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    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    Must be a good idea, isn't that what they did in Communist Russia?
    I don't know, but Australia has it. And I think voting should be a duty, required, since we have made health insurance mandatory.

    This might be the only way to break the two party tyranny. So many people do not vote because they have given up, being totally disgusted with the two parties. This would bring them back in, and a 3rd party then becomes viable. Only a 3rd party will give us a chance to do electoral reform, which is the problem today, and the cause of the rise of the Oligarchy.

    If its good enough for Australia, its good enough for us. People should not shirk their civic duty, no more than they should shirk their duty to obey our laws.

    Which party would lose, by mandatory voting? I hope both of them would lose, so we can break the tyranny.

    If voting was mandatory, if would then perhaps force us into educating our kids again in civics, and do it well enough so that they understand our Republic, which might give us our Republic back. For we lost it.

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  • JDJarvis
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    I seldom get to use highways in Idaho but my tax dollars still pay for them.
    It's a big country not all of the taxes paid impact all of us directly.
    Everyone pays taxes in some way or another so it's a bad metric for who gets to vote. (even opens the situation for aholes that think illegal immigrants and minors should be able to vote).

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  • fishjoel
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    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    But infrastructre is one of those things definetly within bounds of federal control within the Constituion : Roads and interstate trade afterall.
    Right. And I don't have much of a problem with infrastructure projects and everyone that pays those taxes all benefit from said infrastructure. Not everyone pays for, or get to use, certain social programs.

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  • JDJarvis
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    Idiocracy was a brilliant film, social satirewith scifi trappings. Like much science fiction it uses a dressing of science to move a story forawrd and while the tale may take place in the future it's actually alll about the time it was written (or filmed) in. THE Time Machine and 1984 are both grreat examples of tis and while idiocracy was a goofy fart comdey it had very valid social messages but most of the audienc can'. understand that.

    Folks that can't name both of the senators from their state now aren't going to get any better at it if forced to waddle to the voting office between picking up a cup of coffee at a drive-thru and buying a sweet,fat and salty meal on the way home.

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  • Captain Trips
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    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    While flapping his gums at a recent appearance Obama suggested mandatory voting would be transformative and help reduce or even take away the impact olf money in politics. I myself think that is complete B.S. as if we forced those to vote who do not vote now they would be under no more incentive then as they are now to become inforemd and educated about the folks on the ballot. People voting for the names they can recall or be random selection would not improve a thing.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...datory-voting/
    I read this earlier today.

    Were there any doubts about what Mr. Obama stands for ?

    You have to do this, you have to buy that, Master Obama and 'the government' is here to...

    Welcome to the Idiocracy; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk

    ....only people this stupid could choose a man like this TWO times !

    Hey, it's fun.

    America has been "fun-dumb-mentally" transformed, just as Mr. Obama promised it would be. So grab a bag of chips, sit back and watch our new America - http://www.mandatory.com/2013/08/09/...sadly-already/


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  • JDJarvis
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    But infrastructre is one of those things definetly within bounds of federal control within the Constituion : Roads and interstate trade afterall.

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  • fishjoel
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    And, generally speaking, our consumption taxes are for thing like maintaining infrastructure, not social programs.

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  • fishjoel
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    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

    If you buy booze you are taxed , if you buy gasoline you are taxed so the standard that only the taxed can vote isn't very restricitve.

    And yes i understand it was just a quick comment. I myeslf would go for some civics test am 8th grader could pass....no wait a 6th grader ...
    I'm on the fence over consumption tax/VAT taxes. I'm against both progressive and regressive taxes and any form of VAT tax is highly regressive.

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  • JDJarvis
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    Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
    Mandatory voting would be a horrible idea. If we were to change anything I'd actually prefer voting to be more restrictive. For example, if you do not pay taxes then you cannot vote. It seems counter intuitive to have a voting block that takes public money but does not pay into it. If you don't have any skin in the game then you have less incentive to be concerned about how efficient it runs or how strict it's regulated.

    That's just an off-the-cuff idea, not necessarily an actual suggestion.
    If you buy booze you are taxed , if you buy gasoline you are taxed so the standard that only the taxed can vote isn't very restricitve.

    And yes i understand it was just a quick comment. I myeslf would go for some civics test am 8th grader could pass....no wait a 6th grader ...
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 03-19-2015, 03:03 PM.

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