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Obama Should Take A Well Deserved Victory Lap

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  • #16
    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    Liberalism was coopted and used by the socialists and commies years ago. A lot of people who think they are liberals today here in NH actually come out sounding like libertarians when you talk with them long enough (Actual Libertarians not the politcal frauds that have corroupted the third party by the same name). An awful lot of Democrats and Republicans keep that designation out of inertia not because they agree with any ethos or actions of the party and the political hacks on both sides of the aisle love them for it.

    Obama's success aren't his they are the actions of others despite his nonsense. Oill and natural gas are giving us economic power, not a green revolution. The economy has yet to improve and rebuild the middle class that has lost about 33% of it's income and real wealth over the past 40 years.
    I don't think liberalism was coopted by socialists and commies. Those were movements that really picked up steam following the crash of 29. But liberalism, the liberalism of FDR existed earlier with another Roosevelt. There were some similarities with liberalism and socialism, but this relationship was based upon liberalism stressing the importance of the entire tribe thriving, instead of a few being exceedingly wealthy while you had so many in poverty, a lack of being able to get enough resources to even thrive. Liberalism uses capitalism, socialism negates it.

    But if you want to say the commies coopted the liberals, you must also say that the fascists coopted the conservatives. It is more complicated than what you said.

    For me, I believe in the old liberal or progressive economic thinking as well as the way they felt about taxation. Now, if history's largest middle class had arisen under conservative trickle down economics, with the disparity in income being as we saw under liberalism, the conservatives would have some ground to stand on.


    • #17
      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
      For me, I believe in the old liberal or progressive economic thinking as well as the way they felt about taxation. Now, if history's largest middle class had arisen under conservative trickle down economics, with the disparity in income being as we saw under liberalism, the conservatives would have some ground to stand on.
      The only reason the "middle class" exists at all above basic subsistence labor is because someone with money hired them to do something else. "Trickle down" is less an intentional policy than it is a fact of nature. Resisting it is about as effective as resisting gravity.

      What makes or breaks the middle class, or any class for that matter, is what they do with the income they have.


      • #18
        Another Obama success:
        Electricity Price Index Climbed to New Record in February


        • #19
          And this one: Price of Ground Beef Hits Record in February: $4.238 Per Pound


          • #20

            And then there's this success: Take another lap.
            US counterterrorism strategy in Yemen collapses amid chaos



            • #21
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              And then there's this success: Take another lap.
              US counterterrorism strategy in Yemen collapses amid chaos

              But Obama said U.S. policies and actions in Yemen had made Yemen a success story...the current events must be some sort of grand bluff in his masteful game of international politics, lol.


              • #22
                Actually, I doubt the Iranian backed Houthi rebels gaining ground in Yemen would mind us sticking around and droning Al-qaeda for them anymore than Iran minds us providing air cover for them in Tikrit.

                Of course, a minority Shia government will have even less legitimacy than Hadi. If the Sunni and Shia can't respect each others freedom of conscience, then the next best thing would be to partition them. Unfortunately, at this time, that would mean an Iranian foothold on the Gulf of Aden, which would bad for everyone, including the Houthi's if the Iranians do something inappropriate with their territory. So until the Ayatollahs are swinging from a lamp post, the we'll have to go with door number three, back the legitimately elected Hadi, despite his ideological leanings.

                But, so long as Obama is hell bent on getting in the sack with the Ayatollahs, he is not going to do anything to resist Iranian hegemony. But the Saudi's will.


                • #23
                  Take another lap:

                  (SOURCE: )
                  "NBCs Richard Engel reported Friday that U.S. officials were stunned they were not given any notice before Saudi Arabia launched attacks against Houthi rebels. According to Engel, military leaders were finding out about the developments on the Yemen border in real time.

                  Engel said officials from both the military and members of Congress believe they were not given advanced warning because the Arab nations do not trust the Obama administration after they befriended Iran.

                  Saudi Arabia and other countries simply dont trust the United States any more, dont trust this administration, think the administration is working to befriend Iran to try to make a deal in Switzerland, and therefore didnt feel the intelligence frankly would be secure. And I think thats a situation that is quite troubling for U.S. foreign policy, Engel said.

                  Many experts said they worry the Iran negotiations have done irreversible damage to the U.S.s relationship with Israel and Sunni Arab nations. A lack of intelligence sharing and communication because these nations fear the U.S. might leak sensitive information to Iran could cause incalculable harm."

                  I am genuinely surprised that most of our allies even still maintain diplomatic relations with us at all! After the way that the Obama administration has been treating them, I wouldn't blame them in the least!
                  I still think that we may see that come to pass in the very near future!

                  The USA is fast headed for 3rd World status and will stand alone against an increasingly hostile world.

                  *Our education is next to last.

                  *Our currency is worthless.

                  *Our military is in shambles and crippled due to the sacking of experienced general staff.

                  *Our internal affairs are a mess.

                  *Our intelligence apparatus is non-functional.

                  *Our laws are meaningless except to certain people.

                  *Our economy is a wreck.

                  *Our government is corrupt to the core.

                  *Our promises are valueless.

                  And our population is CLUELESS! And LOVING IT!

                  WHY would you think that our allies would/should TRUST us???????


                  • #24
                    If the deal with Iran turns out to be as stupid as it appears, I would not be surprised in the least to see the Saudi's and Israeli's join forces to take out Iran's nuclear infrastructure.

                    To be a fly on the wall when Obama hears about it on the news...


                    • #25
                      I don't think Obama could do anything about it if they did attack but give an annoyed press statement as both countries are allies. He could freeze diplomatic ties but even that would most likely end quickly as it would be seen as an act of defence by an ally.
                      This idea that he would do anything more than that is pure partisan madness.


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                        I don't think Obama could do anything about it if they did attack but give an annoyed press statement as both countries are allies. He could freeze diplomatic ties but even that would most likely end quickly as it would be seen as an act of defence by an ally.
                        This idea that he would do anything more than that is pure partisan madness.
                        I'm not saying there is anything Obama could do about it. I'm saying I'd love to see the reaction when he realizes he's been made to look like a fool.


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                          I'm not saying there is anything Obama could do about it. I'm saying I'd love to see the reaction when he realizes he's been made to look like a fool.

                          Hasn't bothered him so far. He finds out what's going on in his administration by reading the newspapers.


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                            I'm not saying there is anything Obama could do about it. I'm saying I'd love to see the reaction when he realizes he's been made to look like a fool.

                            The problem is the Obama plan is the same as the plan by many other nations including the UK to deal with Iran so it's not just a crazy whacked out scheme by him alone.
                            As was shown on the Daily Show Israel has been saying Iran is an imminent threat for decades and yet Iran has not attacked so why should we go in now?
                            The plan is for UN oversight of the nuclear program which doesn't seem at all silly and in return they get slightly lifted sanctions so they can start growing the economy I don't see why conservatives are so enraged by such a proposal unless they are wanting another conflict.


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Danny View Post
                              Despite what many Republicans (and many people on this forum) believe, the president has earned a victory lap for turning the United States around. After facing unprecedented obstructionism in congress, he will still go down as one of the most successful presidents in history.



                              • #30
                                And this certainly deserves another lap :
                                Scarborough: Other Than Iran, Cuba, Do Any Nations Have Better Relationship With US Under Obama?

                                With Iran nuclear deal negotiations nearing a Tuesday deadline, Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough wondered if any nations not named Iran and Cuba have a better relationship with the U.S. under the Obama presidency.
                                Scarborough posed that question to April Ryan, the White House correspondent for American Urban Radio Networks, Monday morning on Morning Joe.
                                Ive got another question, Scarborough started. Can you name, other than Iran and Cuba, any countries across the world that consider themselves having a better relationship with America today than they did when Barack Obama became president?
                                Thats kind of tough, Ryan responded. Um, thats a tough one.
                                But I will say this, and I have to really ponder that because, youre right, there are so many things happening in the Middle East and just happening around the world, and our relationship has been strained with many countries. But at the same time, we still have allies around the world.

                                The best she could come up with is that we still have some allies.