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  • #16
    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
    Now with THIS, I agree.

    They don't so much "support" islamists as disdain them... plus, it is currently PC to refrain from mentioning religion (particularly when "we" are trying to buy them off).
    Not so true. Perfectly acceptable to mention religion when attacking Christians or Jews. But then again no one is trying to buy off Christians and Jews. Must be because they are ignorant enough enough as a people, to be manipulated. Similar to Democratic leaders. They pray on the ignorant to gain support and attack the Conservatives because they are not ignorant enough to be manipulated.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by msc View Post
      Not so true. Perfectly acceptable to mention religion when attacking Christians or Jews. But then again no one is trying to buy off Christians and Jews. Must be because they are ignorant enough enough as a people, to be manipulated. Similar to Democratic leaders. They pray on the ignorant to gain support and attack the Conservatives because they are not ignorant enough to be manipulated.
      I stand corrected: You're right, it IS perfectly acceptable to openly disdain-but-not-legitimatize Christians and Jews.

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      • #18
        Do you think that Christians need to start beheading their critics to get the same respect that Islam does?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          Do you think that Christians need to start beheading their critics to get the same respect that Islam does?
          well, they would if they did, but they won't and it doesn't matter, anyway. Respect from man is not something a follower of Christ lusts after.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            Do you think that Christians need to start beheading their critics to get the same respect that Islam does?

            What respect are the terrorists getting other than making themselves look like utter monsters with zero sense of humour?
            Do you honestly want that kind of respect?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


              What respect are the terrorists getting other than making themselves look like utter monsters with zero sense of humour?
              Do you honestly want that kind of respect?
              We're speaking of the respect given to the Islamic religion because the forceful monsters stem from that religion. Hundreds of terrorists are directly attached to the Muslim religion. They are Islamic terrorists. And many others treat their own kind inhumanely and shun those of other religions. And less traditional ones still do not offer their people civil rights. Then there are some that believe in equality for all, but they are the minority.

              Islam has been the most violent and consistently violent religion throughout time, right up to the current time. There are no known sects within the religion that differentiate one from another. Within Christianity we know what different sects stand for, Catholics, Protestants, lutherans, Born again Christians, and none of them violent. And the same with Jews, Hasidics are a different sect. Again, each not violent. Within Islam all sects have violent and less than humane participants. Yet we shake hands with Iran and shun Israel. We show sympathy for Palestine, and reprimand Israel. In our country, we support freedoms of Muslims to practice their religion and preach tolerance and equality for them. We speak loudly to announce the peace and good within the Muslim religion, but challenge the freedoms of Christians to practice their religion. We speak loudly to announce what anyone thinks is bad within the Christian religion and constantly bring up past atrocities committed by some to defame the religion, even though it is not relevant to how Christianity stands today.

              So I ask you why is the Muslim religion treated with such respect and Christians and Jews treated with such disrespect. The one thing that differentiates Christians and Jews form Muslims is the strong hand of violence that exists today within the Muslim religion and the peaceful non aggressive representation of the Christians and Jews.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


                What respect are the terrorists getting other than making themselves look like utter monsters with zero sense of humour?
                Do you honestly want that kind of respect?

                I guess respect is the wrong word. The world fears Muslims. The MSM in this country does not pursue the violent acts of Muslims because they fear them. The MSM will not even print the Charlie Hebdo cartoons for reporting purposes for fear of inciting Muslims against them. They have no problem pursuing and persecuting Christians because they know there is no threat to them. Obama never says anything bad about Muslims and yet criticizes Christians all the time.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by msc View Post
                  We're speaking of the respect given to the Islamic religion because the forceful monsters stem from that religion. Hundreds of terrorists are directly attached to the Muslim religion. They are Islamic terrorists. And many others treat their own kind inhumanely and shun those of other religions. And less traditional ones still do not offer their people civil rights. Then there are some that believe in equality for all, but they are the minority.

                  Islam has been the most violent and consistently violent religion throughout time, right up to the current time. There are no known sects within the religion that differentiate one from another. Within Christianity we know what different sects stand for, Catholics, Protestants, lutherans, Born again Christians, and none of them violent. And the same with Jews, Hasidics are a different sect. Again, each not violent. Within Islam all sects have violent and less than humane participants. Yet we shake hands with Iran and shun Israel. We show sympathy for Palestine, and reprimand Israel. In our country, we support freedoms of Muslims to practice their religion and preach tolerance and equality for them. We speak loudly to announce the peace and good within the Muslim religion, but challenge the freedoms of Christians to practice their religion. We speak loudly to announce what anyone thinks is bad within the Christian religion and constantly bring up past atrocities committed by some to defame the religion, even though it is not relevant to how Christianity stands today.

                  So I ask you why is the Muslim religion treated with such respect and Christians and Jews treated with such disrespect. The one thing that differentiates Christians and Jews form Muslims is the strong hand of violence that exists today within the Muslim religion and the peaceful non aggressive representation of the Christians and Jews.
                  I think Islam has a peaceful sect. The Sufis, who are mystics. Generally its always the mystics in religions that are peaceful. The jews have theirs, the Christians the gnostics and islam the Sufis.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                    I guess respect is the wrong word. The world fears Muslims. The MSM in this country does not pursue the violent acts of Muslims because they fear them. The MSM will not even print the Charlie Hebdo cartoons for reporting purposes for fear of inciting Muslims against them. They have no problem pursuing and persecuting Christians because they know there is no threat to them. Obama never says anything bad about Muslims and yet criticizes Christians all the time.
                    Yeah, many people in the media fear them And that is what these muslims want. Probably makes em feel like real men.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                      I think Islam has a peaceful sect. The Sufis, who are mystics. Generally its always the mystics in religions that are peaceful. The jews have theirs, the Christians the gnostics and islam the Sufis.
                      If that's so, I stand corrected, but only about the sect. How large is this sect? Never heard of them.

                      Let me explain this in another way:

                      - Traditional Muslims say: Kill them, stone them, lash them.
                      - Traditional Christians say: I don't want to provide one specific service.

                      - Yet the Islamic religion is defended by our gov't and promoted as peaceful.
                      - While the Christian religion is portrayed as backwards and intolerant, harming the freedoms of others. Our gov't makes laws and reprimands Christians as a whole presenting Christianity as if it is a threat to freedoms of others, and peace.

                      - It is wrong to BLAME Islam, because there is a few hundred terrorists within that religion, and many others do not afford their people human rights.
                      BUT
                      - It is righteous to BLAME Christianity and protest, because the evil members don't want to participate in one type of service, and display Christian symbols that represent peace.

                      - Death threats to Christians that state their belief. No big deal made about it by our gov't. No emergency lecture from our president.
                      - But, could you imagine if a Muslim store received death threats. Would the president not speak up against it with an emergency lecture, stating that it is wrong, it will not be tolerated, and I will have Holder get to the bottom of this and someone will be arrested. We've seen him take such actions before.

                      Now which religion encompasses people that is a threat to humanity and peace. This country is filled with misguided minds and pure stupidity.What the hell are they thinking?
                      Last edited by msc; 04-10-2015, 05:01 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by msc View Post
                        If that's so, I stand corrected, but only about the sect. How large is this sect? Never heard of them.

                        Let me explain this in another way:

                        - Traditional Muslims say: Kill them, stone them, lash them.
                        - Traditional Christians say: I don't want to provide one specific service.

                        - Yet the Islamic religion is defended by our gov't and promoted as peaceful.
                        - While the Christian religion is portrayed as backwards and intolerant, harming the freedoms of others. Our gov't makes laws and reprimands Christians as a whole presenting Christianity as if it is a threat to freedoms of others, and peace.

                        - It is wrong to BLAME Islam, because there is a few hundred terrorists within that religion, and many others do not afford their people human rights.
                        BUT
                        - It is righteous to BLAME Christianity and protest, because the evil members don't want to participate in one type of service, and display Christian symbols that represent peace.

                        - Death threats to Christians that state their belief. No big deal made about it by our gov't. No emergency lecture from our president.
                        - But, could you imagine if a Muslim store received death threats. Would the president not speak up against it with an emergency lecture, stating that it is wrong, it will not be tolerated, and I will have Holder get to the bottom of this and someone will be arrested. We've seen him take such actions before.

                        Now which religion encompasses people that is a threat to humanity and peace. This country is filled with misguided minds and pure stupidity.What the hell are they thinking?

                        The sect is small, as most of these mystical sects are. All of the killing in all 3 religions came from the orthodox views. Thankfully Christianity and Judaism evolved towards the GOOD. The same doesn't appear to be the fact with Islam. It really is the world's most dangerous religion today, given its demand to live under a particularly barbaric and brutal religious law.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                          The sect is small, as most of these mystical sects are. All of the killing in all 3 religions came from the orthodox views. Thankfully Christianity and Judaism evolved towards the GOOD. The same doesn't appear to be the fact with Islam. It really is the world's most dangerous religion today, given its demand to live under a particularly barbaric and brutal religious law.
                          My point exactly. We are in agreement with the history.

                          I'm still not getting why Obama only speaks of Islam as peaceful and with respect for the religion. Never speaking of these terrorists in relation to the religion.
                          YET, again at Easter prayer he brings up that he listens to less than loving expressions by christians, and gets concerned.
                          Come on, can't anyone and everyone see that here he is talking about behavior which he claims to be bad and attaches it to Christianity, by calling the people he is concerned about Christians?
                          YET, the terrorist who slaughters humans and targets Christians and Jews, are not less than loving expressions by Muslims to be concerned about?

                          Have you even once heard him lecture the Muslim community about concerning expressions that he hears from Muslims or more importantly mention the less than loving behaviors by Muslims?

                          If it's not because he is a Muslim at heart, then what is it?
                          The only other thing I can come up with is that he respects the strong arm which is what he claims to oppose in Americans.

                          Can you make sense of it?
                          Last edited by msc; 04-11-2015, 08:40 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by msc View Post
                            My point exactly. We are in agreement with the history.

                            I'm still not getting why Obama only speaks of Islam as peaceful and with respect for the religion. Never speaking of these terrorists in relation to the religion.
                            YET, again at Easter prayer he brings up that he listens to less than loving expressions by christians, and gets concerned.
                            Come on, can't anyone and everyone see that here he is talking about behavior which he claims to be bad and attaches it to Christianity, by calling the people he is concerned about Christians?
                            YET, the terrorist who slaughters humans and targets Christians and Jews, are not less than loving expressions by Muslims to be concerned about?

                            Have you even once heard him lecture the Muslim community about concerning expressions that he hears from Muslims or more importantly mention the less than loving behaviors by Muslims?

                            If it's not because he is a Muslim at heart, then what is it?
                            The only other thing I can come up with is that he respects the strong arm which is what he claims to oppose in Americans.

                            Can you make sense of it?
                            Personally, and of course I could be totally wrong, is that I think Obama bends over backwards to insure he doesn't color all of islam with the actions of a few million, out of 1.5 billion. Think about it, if 10 percent of the musliims can be fundamentalized, radicalized, that's still 15 million. If the president of the world (that is what each president is beginning to act like) even says something that can be interpreted as coloring all muslims the same, well, lots of Billy Bob's would take that as being open season on muslims. We saw something similar during ww2 after the japs attacked us and killed us. Japanese americaans were not safe walking our streets, for white americans just saw Japs, the people who had just bombed pearl harbor. This is always conveniently ignored by those that accuse FDR of being racist by putting our Japanese in camps. It killed two birds with one stone. It offered them protection, and it removed a threat of sabotage, which was a real threat during ww2, which most people here were not living then to witness. There were even Hollywood films made about the saboteurs, encouraging americans to keep their lips closed and their eyes open.

                            Pres Bush Jr wen tout of his way to make the distinction as well, for it would be irresponsible not to.

                            In regards to Obama's words at that event, I thought it was out of place, better left for another time, but it also was the perfect place given the event to remind Christians that their daily behavior and political beliefs do not conform with being a genuine follower of Christ. Pointing out the hypocrisy of some Christians needs to be done everyday imo. We should not expect Christians to act like muslims, for Christianity really is, if taken the way it is supposed to be, a genuine religion of peace, founded around a man who taught peace, not war. The same is not true of Islam. Islam revels in a perceived righteous war, and you even get rewarded for killing those who oppose Islam.

                            I don't know if you took the time to listen to a real deal muslim who is from the middle east, and gives us the insider look at islam, but here is the link again. Everyone who wants to be well informed on the middle east and islam, the sects, the differences, should watch this interview. You will not get this information from MSM, including FOX. And unless you understand it, you will think wrongly and form invalid opinions out of ignor-ance, that is, ignoring factual sources.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-L626DnAuM

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                              Personally, and of course I could be totally wrong, is that I think Obama bends over backwards to insure he doesn't color all of islam with the actions of a few million, out of 1.5 billion. Think about it, if 10 percent of the musliims can be fundamentalized, radicalized, that's still 15 million. If the president of the world (that is what each president is beginning to act like) even says something that can be interpreted as coloring all muslims the same, well, lots of Billy Bob's would take that as being open season on muslims. We saw something similar during ww2 after the japs attacked us and killed us. Japanese americaans were not safe walking our streets, for white americans just saw Japs, the people who had just bombed pearl harbor. This is always conveniently ignored by those that accuse FDR of being racist by putting our Japanese in camps. It killed two birds with one stone. It offered them protection, and it removed a threat of sabotage, which was a real threat during ww2, which most people here were not living then to witness. There were even Hollywood films made about the saboteurs, encouraging americans to keep their lips closed and their eyes open.

                              Pres Bush Jr wen tout of his way to make the distinction as well, for it would be irresponsible not to.

                              In regards to Obama's words at that event, I thought it was out of place, better left for another time, but it also was the perfect place given the event to remind Christians that their daily behavior and political beliefs do not conform with being a genuine follower of Christ. Pointing out the hypocrisy of some Christians needs to be done everyday imo. We should not expect Christians to act like muslims, for Christianity really is, if taken the way it is supposed to be, a genuine religion of peace, founded around a man who taught peace, not war. The same is not true of Islam. Islam revels in a perceived righteous war, and you even get rewarded for killing those who oppose Islam.

                              I don't know if you took the time to listen to a real deal muslim who is from the middle east, and gives us the insider look at islam, but here is the link again. Everyone who wants to be well informed on the middle east and islam, the sects, the differences, should watch this interview. You will not get this information from MSM, including FOX. And unless you understand it, you will think wrongly and form invalid opinions out of ignor-ance, that is, ignoring factual sources.

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-L626DnAuM

                              Your ten percent of radical Muslims must be getting support from someone. If the other 90% actually opposed them, they would be gone in no time.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                                I don't know if you took the time to listen to a real deal muslim who is from the middle east, and gives us the insider look at islam, but here is the link again. Everyone who wants to be well informed on the middle east and islam, the sects, the differences, should watch this interview. You will not get this information from MSM, including FOX. And unless you understand it, you will think wrongly and form invalid opinions out of ignor-ance, that is, ignoring factual sources.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-L626DnAuM
                                First I'll address this. Yes, Not only did I take the time to listen to it, I found it so informative that I had my 17 year old watch it with me. I wasn't impressed with Joe, the interviewer, but the Muslim born fellow was quite informative and neutral in his delivery of facts and experience. But I'm getting the feeling that you and I got different things out of it. I see what he said as more of an explanation of how things are. He explained the history and offered information of the opinions of others. He did not condemn nor support drone attacks. He explained how people suffered because of the attacks and also explained that some think it is a necessary evil. He rendered his opinion, yet clearly expressed that he does not believe his opinion to be the righteous one. Don't think he was trying to sway people to believe one way or another. Just offered what he knows.

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