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  • Obama World

    It seems this is what we can look forward to over the next four years, more and more people reliant on government handouts because of the destructive economic policies of this administration and there appears to be no hope or change in sight. Is this going to be the new normal?

    More Americans will use food stamps to buy their Thanksgiving dinner this year than ever before, according to a new report from the nonprofit government watchdog group The Sunlight Foundation.

    The Food Stamp Challenge, which challenges higher-income families to live as if they are on food stamps, estimates that a person on food stamps has a budget of about $1.25 per meal. In other words, a family on food stamps must buy an entire meal per person for less than the cost of an average cup of coffee.

    Usage of food stamps among low and no-income families has spiked since the collapse of the U.S. financial system four years ago. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, average participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamp program, has increased 70 percent since 2007. And economists have warned that usage of food stamps won't go down until unemployment improves.

    This Thanksgiving, 42.2 million Americans will be on food stamps, according to the Economic Policy Institute. This is roughly the size of the populations of California and Connecticut combined.

    More Americans Will Use Food Stamps For Thanksgiving This Year Than Ever Before - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

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    Re: Obama World

    Originally posted by SamInTheSouth View Post
    It seems this is what we can look forward to over the next four years, more and more people reliant on government handouts because of the destructive economic policies of this administration and there appears to be no hope or change in sight. Is this going to be the new normal?
    I don't think so. It seems to me the worst is behind us. I still don't buy the downturn which occurred virtually simultaneously with the inaugaration 4 years ago to be indicative of the results of this administration's policies. Stuff just doesn't happen that quickly in the business world, people know that. Unemployment numbers are and have been slowly going down, business opportunities are slowly increasing but such a severe downturn does not get reversed overnight. I may be a bit of a Pollyana but I am optimistic. Of course your mileage may vary.
    Last edited by hermanboo; 11-20-2012, 03:48 PM.

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      Re: Obama World

      Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
      I don't think so. It seems to me the worst is behind us. I still don't buy the downturn which occurred virtually simultaneously with the inaugaration 4 years ago to be indicative of the results of this administration's policies. Stuff just doesn't happen that quickly in the business world, people know that. Unemployment numbers are and have been slowly going down, business opportunities are slowly increasing but such a severe downturn does not get reversed overnight. I may be a bit of a Pollyana but I am optimistic. Of course your mileage may vary.
      Businesses do know that there are a lot of unknowns out there and a lot of pitfalls in the form of EPA regulations, Obamacare, and higher taxes. That is not a position you want to be in for economic recovery.

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        Re: Obama World

        Originally posted by SamInTheSouth View Post
        It seems this is what we can look forward to over the next four years, more and more people reliant on government handouts because of the destructive economic policies of this administration and there appears to be no hope or change in sight. Is this going to be the new normal?
        yep and more to come... not factored in the liberal fantasy world... cuts to defense spending, cuts to the ranks of the armed forces.... there are a couple hundred thousand people out of work... then of course the cuts to manning to accomodate bummercare... more layoffs more food stamps... more unemployment wonder if they will extend that to 3 years for their demo..... WTF might as well screw over our great great grandkids!

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          Re: Obama World

          Originally posted by Rakkasan View Post
          yep and more to come... not factored in the liberal fantasy world... cuts to defense spending, cuts to the ranks of the armed forces.... there are a couple hundred thousand people out of work... then of course the cuts to manning to accomodate bummercare... more layoffs more food stamps... more unemployment wonder if they will extend that to 3 years for their demo..... WTF might as well screw over our great great grandkids!
          Since Fox and CTR said all of this 3.9 years ago (they wouldn't say it until Obama actually took office), when will you be convinced that Conservative sound-bites are no more than sound-bites?

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            Re: Obama World

            Sit back and watch...

            Elections have consequences...

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              Re: Obama World

              Originally posted by Rakkasan View Post
              yep and more to come... not factored in the liberal fantasy world... cuts to defense spending, cuts to the ranks of the armed forces.... there are a couple hundred thousand people out of work...
              Shrinking the size of government involves, by definition, fewer people working for the government, meaning more people out of work. But this is what conservatives have been preaching for years, and what they have actually been practicing on state and local levels. If conservatives want smaller government, fine; but they shouldn't complain when they get their wish.

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                Re: Obama World

                Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                Shrinking the size of government involves, by definition, fewer people working for the government, meaning more people out of work. But this is what conservatives have been preaching for years, and what they have actually been practicing on state and local levels. If conservatives want smaller government, fine; but they shouldn't complain when they get their wish.
                Nassau County laid off 900 Republican Club members.
                I wonder who they voted for?

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                  Re: Obama World

                  Sorry to pop your bubble, but . . .
                  PICKET: Companies plan massive layoffs as Obamacare becomes reality
                  By Kerry Picket - The Washington Times
                  PICKET: Companies plan massive layoffs as Obamacare becomes reality - Washington Times

                  Freedom Works has put together a list of companies that will be laying off employees as a result of President Barack Obama's health care law:

                  Welch Allyn

                  Welch Allyn, a company that manufactures medical diagnostic equipment in central New York, announced in September that they would be laying off 275 employees, or roughly 10% of their workforce over the next three years. One of the major reasons discussed for the layoffs was a proactive response to the Medical Device Tax mandated by the new healthcare law.

                  Dana Holding Corp.

                  As recently as a week ago, a global auto parts manufacturing company in Ohio known as Dana Holding Corp., warned their employees of potential layoffs, citing "$24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. health care expenses". After laying off several white collar staffers, company insiders have hinted at more to come. The company will have to cover the additional $24 million cost somehow, which will likely equate to numerous cuts in their current workforce of 25,500 worldwide.

                  Stryker

                  One of the biggest medical device manufacturers in the world, Stryker will close their facility in Orchard Park, New York, eliminating 96 jobs in December. Worse, they plan on countering the medical device tax in Obamacare by slashing 5% of their global workforce - an estimated 1,170 positions.

                  Boston Scientific

                  In October of 2009, Boston Scientific CEO Ray Elliott, warned that proposed taxes in the health care reform bill could "lead to significant job losses" for his company. Nearly two years later, Elliott announced that the company would be cutting anywhere between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while simultaneously shifting investments and workers overseas - to China.

                  Medtronic

                  In March of 2010, medical device maker Medtronic warned that Obamacare taxes could result in a reduction of precisely 1,000 jobs. That plan became reality when the company cut 500 positions over the summer, with another 500 set for the end of 2013.

                  Others

                  A short list of other companies facing future layoffs at the hands of Obamacare:

                  Smith & Nephew - 770 layoffs
                  Abbott Labs - 700 layoffs
                  Covidien - 595 layoffs
                  Kinetic Concepts - 427 layoffs
                  St. Jude Medical - 300 layoffs
                  Hill Rom - 200 layoffs
                  Beyond the complete elimination of a significant number of American jobs is another looming problem created by the health care law - a shift from full-time to part-time workers.
                  By placing a higher priority on passing Obamacare over jobs, this administration has put the people and the economy behind a recession 8 ball even more.

                  Even a Merry Christmas doesn't seem be in the offing:
                  As other have said in other threads here.

                  Originally posted by tsquare View Post

                  Originally posted by Darth Hussein Omar View Post
                  At some point the gloating will be over and reality will set in. As I pointed out to the Pirate in another thread, yes the Dems have won, but at what cost?

                  Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                  Well look at this as the down payment... the first of the bills from the butcher.

                  But wait! there's more:

                  Retailers are quite possibly going to be in for a severe letdown this holiday season, as a majority of female consumers have indicated that they intend to spend less on the holidays in 2012 than they did in 2011.
                  According to the National Retail Federation, retailers might have something to worry about again in 2012. They're forecasting that November and December sales, when retailers can make as much as 40% of their annual revenues, will rise only 4.1% from last year. That's the slowest rate of growth since 2009, when it barely ticked up at 0.3% and is more than a full percentage point below 2010's and 2011's growth rate.
                  ICSC Forecasts Holiday Chain Store Sales to Increase by 3.0%
                  55% of Female Consumers Indicate a Tighter 2012 Holiday Shopping Budget - Forbes

                  Christmas Won't Be So Merry for Retailers

                  http://www.icsc.org/icscnews/2012_Holiday_Forecast.pdf
                  All of the anti-business rhetoric, legislation and regulation has instilled unbounded confidence in business, right? Nope.

                  Business is looking at a hard next few years and they are hunkering down to survive it. The layoffs and most likely a double dip recession are the result. Nice, eh? Well, elections have consequences, don't they?

                  Sorry, but your optimism doesn't seem to be connected to events that are going on all around you.

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                    Re: Obama World

                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    Sorry to pop your bubble, but . . .
                    And it just might get worse...

                    MoveOn.org has jumped into the fight for a unionized Wal-Mart workforce.

                    The liberal group has sent emails to its list nationwide, urging a mass-protest outside Wal-Mart stores on Black Friday. The organization is encouraging people to strike against management even if they aren’t Wal-Mart employees themselves.
                    Last Tuesday Barack Obama met with national union leaders and the leaders of MoveOn.org and Center for American Progress at the White House.

                    Less than a week later these same groups have joined together to organize Black Friday Walmart protests.

                    A coincidence?

                    Now that's one way to 'cure' a sick economy... break it's arms.

                    MoveOn.org trying to rally Wal-Mart workers for Black Friday strike | The Daily Caller

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                      Re: Obama World

                      I guess Obama has dropped any pretense to be other than what he really is, a community organizer out to get businesses any way he can.

                      Volumes could be written about what this mans doesn't know and doesn't understand about leadership, business, and the economy. This will only cause business to hunker down even harder with more layoffs, less investment and less hiring. I thought that he was going to be the jobs president?

                      You suppose that this is another demonstration of him being more flexible after the election?

                      What company the man keeps! MoveOn.org, about as extreme left as you can get.

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                        Re: Obama World

                        Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                        Shrinking the size of government involves, by definition, fewer people working for the government, meaning more people out of work. But this is what conservatives have been preaching for years, and what they have actually been practicing on state and local levels. If conservatives want smaller government, fine; but they shouldn't complain when they get their wish.
                        Conservatives have never talked about cutting defense... nice spin....

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                        • #13
                          Re: Obama World

                          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                          Sit back and watch...

                          Elections have consequences...
                          That's so true, we elected George W. Bush and a Republican congress and went from 4.2% unemployment and a 300 billion dollar budget surplus, to the second great depression and trillion dollar deficits. Which is why the people who learn from mistakes went with Obama, because voting for the people who created the problem would be ....INSANE

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                            Re: Obama World

                            Originally posted by SamInTheSouth View Post
                            more and more people reliant on government handouts because of the destructive economic policies of this administration
                            I'm curious how you think the article you quoted supports this statement.

                            From the article you quoted:
                            Usage of food stamps among low and no-income families has spiked since the collapse of the U.S. financial system four years ago. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, average participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamp program, has increased 70 percent since 2007.
                            How was this administration responsible for the collapse of the U.S. financial system four years ago?

                            More people require government assistance because of the wage cuts and layoffs of the recession. How exactly would the austerity measures proposed by Republicans change this?

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                              Re: Obama World

                              Originally posted by goober View Post
                              That's so true, we elected George W. Bush and a Republican congress and went from 4.2% unemployment and a 300 billion dollar budget surplus, to the second great depression and trillion dollar deficits. Which is why the people who learn from mistakes went with Obama, because voting for the people who created the problem would be ....INSANE
                              Still blaming Bush. You need a new tune. This one's getting old, and has lost it's relevance.

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