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  • But Can Obama Govern?

    We might never get to know...


    "We already know the president's a very good campaigner. We congratulate him on his re-election. What we don't know is if he has the leadership qualities to lead his party to a bipartisan agreement on big issues," Mr. McConnell said. "The people he needs to be talking to are members of his own party so he can convince them of the need to act."

    Mr. McConnell repeatedly has said the key to a final deal will be for Mr. Obama to put a plan out there and have it negotiated.
    Frankly, I don't know if Obama can... but I know that he doesn't want to.

    He never has... not ever.

    Now that said, I don't think that Obama wants a deal, thus he has no reason to sit down and try and make one. That he won't hold to it anyway is beside the point.

    The other day someone here insisted that Obama was my president. I said no. This mostly proves my point: we don't have a president... we have a celebrity-in-chief. Famous for being famous, not for, you know, actually doing anything. The Paris Hilton of politics.

    Thoughts?

    McConnell: Obama needs to end campaign, talk to his party - Washington Times

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    Obama doesn't govern and you're upset?

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      Obama doesn't govern - he's there to "rule": Obama to "rule" as president - YouTube

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        Re: But Can Obama Govern?

        Originally posted by tsquare View Post
        We might never get to know...




        Frankly, I don't know if Obama can... but I know that he doesn't want to.

        He never has... not ever.

        Now that said, I don't think that Obama wants a deal, thus he has no reason to sit down and try and make one. That he won't hold to it anyway is beside the point.

        The other day someone here insisted that Obama was my president. I said no. This mostly proves my point: we don't have a president... we have a celebrity-in-chief. Famous for being famous, not for, you know, actually doing anything. The Paris Hilton of politics.

        Thoughts?

        McConnell: Obama needs to end campaign, talk to his party - Washington Times
        My thoughts? A few drinks and I'd be thinking of banging Paris. Obama, not so much.

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        Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
        Obama doesn't govern - he's there to "rule": Obama to "rule" as president - YouTube
        It's crazy! It seems he thinks he the decider or something, huh?

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          Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
          My thoughts? A few drinks and I'd be thinking of banging Paris. Obama, not so much.

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          It's crazy! It seems he thinks he the decider or something, huh?
          Maybe we should all fear John Roberts?

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            Re: But Can Obama Govern?

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            We might never get to know...




            Frankly, I don't know if Obama can... but I know that he doesn't want to.

            He never has... not ever.

            Now that said, I don't think that Obama wants a deal, thus he has no reason to sit down and try and make one. That he won't hold to it anyway is beside the point.

            The other day someone here insisted that Obama was my president. I said no. This mostly proves my point: we don't have a president... we have a celebrity-in-chief. Famous for being famous, not for, you know, actually doing anything. The Paris Hilton of politics.

            Thoughts?

            McConnell: Obama needs to end campaign, talk to his party - Washington Times
            Sounds like McConnell doesn't think he can hold his members if public opinion is lopsided for higher taxes for the wealthy.
            But that is the most effective thing a president can do, mobilize public opinion to move an intransigent congress.
            There are 13 GOP senators facing elections in 2014, and the whole house , if Obama can mobilize public opinion, he can move his agenda through congress, or have the public see the GOP as the reason their taxes went up.

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              Originally posted by goober View Post
              Sounds like McConnell doesn't think he can hold his members if public opinion is lopsided for higher taxes for the wealthy.
              But that is the most effective thing a president can do, mobilize public opinion to move an intransigent congress.
              There are 13 GOP senators facing elections in 2014, and the whole house , if Obama can mobilize public opinion, he can move his agenda through congress, or have the public see the GOP as the reason their taxes went up.
              Because his supporters have the attention span of house flies... got it.

              Because looking good to supporters is better than... you know... actually getting something done... got it.

              Because... in the end... demonizing your opposition is far far better than sitting with them and compromising and getting something, anything done... got it.

              This my friends is how we got here, anyone got any questions?

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                Re: But Can Obama Govern?

                Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                Frankly, I don't know if Obama can... but I know that he doesn't want to.
                I'm sure you'll be shocked at what I'm about to say, but in answer to your question: no.

                I've always thought that Obama is very similar to our former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd: both are terrific political strategists and great campaigners, but that's where their skills end. Once in office they can't translate those skills to governing.

                One could argue though that the responsibility for governing should not fall solely to Obama as the Republic was established with 3 branches of govt, with two having primary responsibility for governing; and the Executive Branch actually being (originally) conceived as the weakest of the three in order to prevent a dictatorial style of govt. So, any failure of governing should fall at minimum, equally to Congress.

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                  I don't know who that insults more lol, Rudd or Obama. Both are assholes and to be frank, the liberals who come out of your country (Rudd, Gillard etc) make US liberals look kind of competent!

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                    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                    Because his supporters have the attention span of house flies... got it.
                    Two words for you: Michelle Bachmann

                    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                    Because looking good to supporters is better than... you know... actually getting something done... got it.
                    Well, looking good is something that Republicans don't need to worry about, as unless you're Aaron Schock, it's not something they're capable of achieving.

                    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                    Because... in the end... demonizing your opposition is far far better than sitting with them and compromising and getting something, anything done... got it.
                    On a serious note though, are you suggesting that the GOP don't demonize their opponents?

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                      Re: But Can Obama Govern?

                      Originally posted by noahath View Post
                      Well, looking good is something that Republicans don't need to worry about, as unless you're Aaron Schock, it's not something they're capable of achieving.
                      Your taste in men can be quite discerning but what i don't get is when you fancy egg head balding sports players in their 30's and think they are hot.

                      Aaron, i can understand.

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                        But Can Obama Govern?

                        Governing is a subset of leading, as there some constraints on governing that don't necessarily apply to a leader.

                        In my opinion Obama is capable of neither. He hasn't demonstrated it his first term. Seems to silly to think that he'd suddenly develop a streak of leadership and actually start governing his second term.

                        With this fiscal cliff unexpectedly thrust upon him I don’t see him stepping up and doing what it’ll take to cut a deal with the Republicans. Makes me wonder if it’ll be like the last time: he got his deal, then he changes the goalposts to the point that the Republicans can’t accept it, and then have the gall to blame them for it.

                        What makes this time any different? I anticipate the same sort of approach and reaction from all of these people. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance.

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                          Re: But Can Obama Govern?

                          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                          But Can Obama Govern?

                          Governing is a subset of leading, as there some constraints on governing that don't necessarily apply to a leader.

                          In my opinion Obama is capable of neither. He hasn't demonstrated it his first term. Seems to silly to think that he'd suddenly develop a streak of leadership and actually start governing his second term.

                          With this fiscal cliff unexpectedly thrust upon him I don’t see him stepping up and doing what it’ll take to cut a deal with the Republicans. Makes me wonder if it’ll be like the last time: he got his deal, then he changes the goalposts to the point that the Republicans can’t accept it, and then have the gall to blame them for it.

                          What makes this time any different? I anticipate the same sort of approach and reaction from all of these people. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance.
                          EOH, I think we both (along with many others on here) know we are in deep doo. Obama wasn't at 1/2 the votes when he was in Illinois, so I am sure his democrat surrogates are the ones trying to make this deal since he has no clue.

                          Anyone with 1/2 a brain should be concerned that if we take out the two candidates that ran for President out of the mix, what you heard from the republican supporters side was----------->save the country, get jobs created, get the country back on track for all.

                          What you heard from the democrat side was----------> I (me) want to keep my Obamaphone. I (me) want to make sure I keep my foodstamps. I (me) want to make sure I get to keep free contraceptives. I (me) believe I will now get free healthcare at someone elses expense. I (me) am here illegally, and I want to stay and get my free food, free rent, free phone, free school.

                          Their whole concept had NOTHING to do with the good of the country, it was all about themselves; and the democrats pandered well to each group.

                          How is he gonna govern? With our money, until we run out of it or we send it out of his jurisdiction. That is my plan, and until Washington shows they aren't going to make me consistently support people I can't claim on my taxes, that is exactly what I am gonna do!

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                            Re: But Can Obama Govern?

                            It will be less of a major factor this time. The pressure brought on by the the election result will have more of a major influence on what politicians decide rather than their own political loyalties.

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                              Re: But Can Obama Govern?

                              Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                              Obama doesn't govern - he's there to "rule": Obama to "rule" as president - YouTube
                              Interesting Freudian slip there. If she's the whispering in Obama's ear, I can see how it would feed his ego and the narcissistic side.

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