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  • On "politicizin' the slaughter 'o children"

    This was a subject that was brought up the other day:

    Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
    ahoy Jefe,

    i disagree, matey.

    now i know, courtesy 'o Tsquare, what the proper amount 'o time is to wait before politicizin' the slaughter 'o children.

    'tis 72 hours, apparently.

    - MeadHallPirate
    Of course, this was meant as a veiled insult... but let's be clear, in the politicizin' the slaughter 'o children, I don't come close to Obama:



    “After what we’ve gone through over the past several months, a devastating hurricane and now one of the worse tragedies in our memory, the country deserves the folks to be willing to compromise for the greater good.”
    Referring of course to the the hurricane Sandy as well as the massacre at Sandy Hook to push Republicans to vote for his tax hikes.

    A bit 'obscure' for you? Okay... how about this?


    They won the campaign handily and even had $14.2 million to spare, but the Obama-Biden campaign is still raising money, this time off the president's comments about the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings in Connecticut.

    In email from chief campaign advisor David Axelrod that urges supporters to watch President Obama's moving address to the community of Newtown, Conn., there are two links that open a page with a video player featuring the president's speech and two donate buttons asking for $15-$1,000 for his campaign.

    "The next chapter begins today. Stand with President Obama for the next four years," headlines the donation and video player page.

    While he links to the donation pages in his email, Axelrod did not mention donations with his words. Instead, he expresses the horror the nation feels about the shootings. "Our hearts broke on Friday as we learned of the tragic and senseless deaths of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut," he wrote. "As we reflect on the lives lost last week, we must also, as the president urged, consider how each of us can play a part in making our country worthy of the memory of those little children."
    axelrod-newtown-.jpg

    Of course Obama has a staff, but still, as far as "politicizin' the slaughter 'o children" Obama is way ahead of me.

    As Charles Krauthammer explained:

    “I think the president invoking the massacre of children to essentially say the Republicans need to accept his terms of surrender in the negotiations is not just a non sequitur, I think it’s a sacrilege… He is excessively self-righteous. He talks about the other side as being unprincipled. Not interested in the national interests. Slaves of ideology and vested into opposing him to the point to where they are willing to let the country suffer. It’s a combination of self-righteousness and narcissism.”

    Thoughts?


    Team Obama still raising money--off Sandy Hook shootings | Mobile Washington Examiner

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    Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

    Obama is between a rock and a hard place right now, Boehner has offered to raise taxes on the rich with no other concessions and the Democrats have turned him down. Boehner made a short statement today telling people that if their taxes go up, it's the Democrat's fault.

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      Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

      You know was surprised NBC Chucky Todd... actually reported on this with a less than positive tone...

      I myself... was not surprised this dude is the dirtiest president i have ever seen in my lifetime.. he has no conscious and knows the media will support him in everything he does, deflect or not report any negative, and most of the time agree with him on his every thought.

      Any other president did this crap ... referenced the deaths of Americans in a hurricane and in a school shooting.. there would be protests in the street.... The messiah does it .. he gets the "liberal thug pass"

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        Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

        This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.

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          Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

          Originally posted by Danny View Post
          This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
          While he links to the donation pages in his email, Axelrod did not mention donations with his words. Instead, he expresses the horror the nation feels about the shootings. "Our hearts broke on Friday as we learned of the tragic and senseless deaths of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut," he wrote. "As we reflect on the lives lost last week, we must also, as the president urged, consider how each of us can play a part in making our country worthy of the memory of those little children." [prior link, emphasis added]

          Maybe you can say that David Axelrod isn't Barack Obama and visa versa; but I don't know how you can do anything but concede that the above is an example of politicizing the Sandy Hook tragedy.

          Those kids haven't even been dead for a week and they're already Obama campaign fodder. That's revolting, imo.

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            Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

            Originally posted by Danny View Post
            This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
            That's it?

            That's all you got?

            Wow...

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              Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
              You are whining about politicizing the slaughter of children when 26 innocents are killed? How about the million abortions you support every year. That is an even greater slaughter of innocents.

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                Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                Originally posted by Danny View Post
                This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
                So, would you then characterize his performance at that JOB as a FAILURE over the last four years, given that he has made NO effort to do it?

                Of course you won't. You'll come back with the usual "the GOP won't let him" excuse, as you do with all of his failings.

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                  Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                  Originally posted by Danny View Post
                  This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
                  This from a guy who was politicizing the shootings before the blood was even dry. I thought you had decided to be a decent human being and let it alone for a while:

                  Originally posted by Danny
                  After seeing the president of the United States cry on national tv I agree today is not the day to talk about the remedy and I shouldn't have jumped into this like I did.

                  That day, however, is the minute the flags start flying at full staff and not a minute later.
                  But apparently, you just cannot resist jumping up on your high horse to lecture us poor, dumb, Americans....

                  (And yes, Noahath, I am calling Danny out on his prior post and his failure to do what he said he would. I know you'll be all indignant over it. I don't care, so please don't bother lecturing me about it.)

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                    Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                    For starters the website is bogus.. So I would suggest the whole think is bogus...

                    tsquare thanks for adding to the debate.

                    And for the rest of the crap... Obama was re-elected a month ago, get over it losers....
                    If he was the worst president in history then ye bunch of losers could find a candidate to beat the worst president in history.
                    So that makes ye bigger losers...

                    So all your left with is making up bullshit stories and posting false claims like losers..

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                      Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                      Originally posted by Danny View Post
                      This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
                      Because it is what happened. This issue became politicized the moment Obama spoke about it, and he did it many times over in suggestion we will all be better off with gun restrictions that did not work the first time. Obama knew what he was saying and it was with full intent to jump start the anti-gun effort. And by the way, what is being suggested thus far would not have prevented this but perhaps changed the guns used, or perhaps reload times, etc. Mainly because no one is willing to have a serious discussion about the "psychos" part.

                      What you should get over is not everyone agrees with how Obama claims he can make us all safe, being a president does not mean everyone else's opinion is irrelevant. Obama's job is to function as President. No matter how much you wish for it, being President is not about silencing the opposition no matter how often a terrible event ends up "politicized" with Obama in full participation of from his very first statement on this event. He is not an emperor, and in this case he is not right either.

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                        Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                        Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                        Because it is what happened. This issue became politicized the moment Obama spoke about it, and he did it many times over in suggestion we will all be better off with gun restrictions that did not work the first time. Obama knew what he was saying and it was with full intent to jump start the anti-gun effort. And by the way, what is being suggested thus far would not have prevented this but perhaps changed the guns used, or perhaps reload times, etc. Mainly because no one is willing to have a serious discussion about the "psychos" part.

                        What you should get over is not everyone agrees with how Obama claims he can make us all safe, being a president does not mean everyone else's opinion is irrelevant. Obama's job is to function as President. No matter how much you wish for it, being President is not about silencing the opposition no matter how often a terrible event ends up "politicized" with Obama in full participation of from his very first statement on this event. He is not an emperor, and in this case he is not right either.
                        Would it have been better if Obama got up on stage and went '20 kids dead and I don't know'.

                        They where shot with a gun in a country where gun violence is multiple times that of other 1st world countries...

                        Of course he has to talk about it!

                        The GOP has to either agree to billions in Mental health services, 1 in 10 people in America reports depression
                        CDC Data & Statistics | Feature: An Estimated 1 in 10 U.S. Adults Report Depression

                        So your going to offer very expensive free treatment to 1 in 10 Americans forcefully or address the access to high powered guns....

                        There is no debate for any realist... The guns have to go or accept that these kids and the next are casualties in a war against ???????.
                        So these kids died so people can buy guns easilly.

                        Another stat:
                        US casualties in WW2: 418,500
                        Firarms casualties per year: 31,224

                        So every 13.4 years the US looses the equvilant of WW2 to firearm-related deaths.
                        A 911 attack every 5 weeks..

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                          Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                          Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                          Would it have been better if Obama got up on stage and went '20 kids dead and I don't know'.

                          They where shot with a gun in a country where gun violence is multiple times that of other 1st world countries...

                          Of course he has to talk about it!

                          The GOP has to either agree to billions in Mental health services, 1 in 10 people in America reports depression
                          CDC Data & Statistics | Feature: An Estimated 1 in 10 U.S. Adults Report Depression

                          So your going to offer very expensive free treatment to 1 in 10 Americans forcefully or address the access to high powered guns....

                          There is no debate for any realist... The guns have to go or accept that these kids and the next are casualties in a war against ???????.
                          So these kids died so people can buy guns easilly.

                          Another stat:
                          US casualties in WW2: 418,500
                          Firarms casualties per year: 31,224

                          So every 13.4 years the US looses the equvilant of WW2 to firearm-related deaths.
                          A 911 attack every 5 weeks..
                          It would have been better if he waited a few days for the politics and gone with a message that started and ended with healing and support. Be a President instead of a politican, even if just for a day or so.

                          And since you went there any realist would consider everything before trying something that did not work very well before, you just lost all credibility with your position that gun control alone solves the problem. These kids died because of a coward with a mental health issue, not because of the gun in his hand.

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                            Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                            Originally posted by Danny View Post
                            This is typical right wing horeshit. You don't like what's about to happen on guns, you know your are responsible for the current out of control gun situation and you have nothing left put to accuse people of "politicizing". It's his JOB to defend the country against psychos with guns. Get over it. Get. Over. it.
                            Do your ignorance and partisanship know any bounds? Serious question here.

                            What I find quite amazing is that had a Republican president used such a tragedy to push an agenda, you'd be condemning with a thread of your own.

                            But hey, it's a Demcrat so who gives a shit. Seriously, the partisans on both sides are fucking ridiculous at this point.

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                              Re: On &quot;politicizin' the slaughter 'o children&quot;

                              Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
                              Do your ignorance and partisanship know any bounds? Serious question here.

                              What I find quite amazing is that had a Republican president used such a tragedy to push an agenda, you'd be condemning with a thread of your own.

                              But hey, it's a Demcrat so who gives a shit. Seriously, the partisans on both sides are fucking ridiculous at this point.
                              hemm...
                              Bush, 911 and Iraq...
                              Bush, 911 and Patriot Act...
                              Bush, 911 and Torture

                              This is embarassing...

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