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The Ideologue in the White House

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  • #46
    Re: The Ideologue in the White House

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    I agree there is a leftist agenda. I agree there is a rightist agenda. Obama has never pleased the leftists as Romney if elected would not have pleased the rightists.

    Yet I personally think that the horrible leftists agenda isn't what the rightists think it is. The rightists get hysterical over their own created hyperbole. Kinda like getting hysterical over a rattlesnake you almost stepped on and never noticed it was just a rat snake instead. But they swore they heard the rattlers a rattlin'. And you can't convince them otherwise. They know what they saw and heard!
    So then, are you saying that the leftist agenda is not the preeminence of the state over individuals, their rights, and their liberties?

    To not create a larger, more expensive, more intrusive, more regulatory intense federal government?

    Are you also saying that the leftist agenda is not to redistribute wealth?

    I find this hard to imagine, these things not being part of the leftist agenda. I think that there are quite a number of actions, which speak louder than words, that can easily be interpreted to further exactly those things.

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    • #47
      Re: The Ideologue in the White House

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      No you don't. This is clear to anyone who spends any effort to see that you in fact support him in all things.

      1. You ( these so called true liberals) have done nothing to prevent this or to protest any of his actions you now tell us you oppose. With Bush in office you protest by the tens of thousands. Obama kills more with drones, restricts personal liberties even more and nothing.

      2. Because... he is doing your 'good work' of making the state supreme, and that is both his and your goal.

      Oh, you make a big noise about "personal liberties" but, in the end, they are as much an impediment to your leftist agenda as the Constitution is. You real true agenda is the total destruction of personal liberties and a raising of the leftist totalitarian state. Everything Obama does, every pronouncement, every executive order, is bent to this task.

      And you love him for it... you support it. It's what you want, and hope for.

      Enjoy it...
      This is pure silliness.

      I have never claimed to be a "true liberal," but that, like all political definitions, is subjective and malleable, so I won't waste time arguing with it.

      Regardless, as I have said previously, my biggest disappointment with Obama is in terms of civil liberties. And I am not alone. Take drone warfare. Now I, personally, supported Bush's use of drone strikes at Al Qaeda HVT's, but others did not. What you fail to realize, of course, is that many of the same liberals oppose Obama's program, too: Rachel Maddow (who called Obama's drone program "Orwellian"), Ed Schultz, Salon's Glenn Greenwald, etc.

      Liberals have been very critical of Obama... but, of course, when the election came around, they backed him. 'Cause what was their alternative? Let Romney (who, they had no reason to believe would be any better on civil liberties... or anything else they cared about) win so he can pick the next Supreme Court justices and repeal universal health care? What sense would that make?

      That all said, I would love it if Republicans expressed vocal outrage at Obama's encroachment on civil liberties. And not the stupid stuff they are whining about, like health insurance and magazine capacities, but the real stuff, like assassinating U.S. citizens without trial or oversight, warrantless wiretapping, etc. But, with a handful of exceptions, they don't. And that's what is really scary. The disregard of civil liberties (at least in the context of the War on Terror™) is bipartisan.

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      • #48
        Re: The Ideologue in the White House

        I guess the idealogue in the Whitehouse has had just about enough of this "Americans telling [him] how they feel" business. It used to take only 25,000 signatures before the President would pretend to take your petition seriously.

        NOW:

        <NOSCRIPT></NOSCRIPT><HEADER section="title">White House raises petition signature threshold to 100K

        We the People platform quadruples the number of signatures required on petitions before they merit the Obama Administration's attention.

        Tee hee hee ... I KNEW if we kept telling him what's important to us, we'd break it.

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        • #49
          Re: The Ideologue in the White House

          Originally posted by Good1 View Post
          I guess the idealogue in the Whitehouse has had just about enough of this "Americans telling [him] how they feel" business. It used to take only 25,000 signatures before the President would pretend to take your petition seriously.

          NOW:




          Tee hee hee ... I KNEW if we kept telling him what's important to us, we'd break it.
          Re-evaluating positions, based on reality, is a Democratic Party thing, I'm not sure a republican would understand....

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          • #50
            Re: The Ideologue in the White House

            Originally posted by goober View Post
            Re-evaluating positions, based on reality, is a Democratic Party thing, I'm not sure a republican would understand....
            Changing or just ignoring the rules... or laws for that matter is a Democratic Party thing, and no, we don't understand... how you still get elected.

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            • #51
              Re: The Ideologue in the White House

              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              So then, are you saying that the leftist agenda is not the preeminence of the state over individuals, their rights, and their liberties?

              To not create a larger, more expensive, more intrusive, more regulatory intense federal government?

              Are you also saying that the leftist agenda is not to redistribute wealth?

              I find this hard to imagine, these things not being part of the leftist agenda. I think that there are quite a number of actions, which speak louder than words, that can easily be interpreted to further exactly those things.
              There is an agenda, why else have a political party?
              I wouldn't phrase it like you just did, but it's there.

              I would say it like this.
              Liberals don't believe we can make things perfect, but we do believe we can make things better.

              What is the GOP agenda?

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              Originally posted by tsquare View Post
              Changing or just ignoring the rules... or laws for that matter is a Democratic Party thing, and no, we don't understand... how you still get elected.

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              We get more votes than you do.....

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              • #52
                Re: The Ideologue in the White House

                Originally posted by goober View Post
                There is an agenda, why else have a political party?
                I wouldn't phrase it like you just did, but it's there.

                I would say it like this.
                Liberals don't believe we can make things perfect, but we do believe we can make things better.

                What is the GOP agenda?
                conservatives don't believe we can make things perfect, but we know we can make things better.

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                • #53
                  Re: The Ideologue in the White House

                  Originally posted by goober View Post
                  There is an agenda, why else have a political party?
                  I wouldn't phrase it like you just did, but it's there.

                  I would say it like this.
                  Liberals don't believe we can make things perfect, but we do believe we can make things better.

                  What is the GOP agenda?

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                  We get more votes than you do.....
                  Every election is different. Don't try and dress it up as you always get more votes at every election. That's just not the case, now is it?

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                  • #54
                    Re: The Ideologue in the White House

                    Originally posted by goober View Post
                    Re-evaluating positions, based on reality, is a Democratic Party thing, I'm not sure a republican would understand....
                    You apparently don't understand either.

                    How is quadrupling the number of signatures needed on a petition "re-evaluating positions based on reality?"

                    Sometimes, you just say funny nonsense. is this one of those times, Goob?

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                    • #55
                      Re: The Ideologue in the White House

                      Originally posted by Wiseacre View Post
                      When Obama won re-election a couple of months ago, many wondered how his 2nd term might go with respect to his presidential leadership. Would he be more cooperative, more willing to compromise to address the country's serious problems and issues? Thus far, the answer seems to be a resounding NO, instead he appears to be just as unbending as he was in his 1st term. I look at what he says and how he says it, this is not a guy that wants to get along with the opposition. He wants to divide and conquer to get his way over the next 4 years. There's nothing conciliatory in his approach, nothing collaborative in his negotiations. Looks to me like Joe Biden is the adult in the WH, the one who can get things done. And isn't that a sad state of affairs.

                      I know there are several republicans who are just as unbending in their views on taxes and spending and the various other issues we face. Just as there are several democrats with just as much stubbornness in their opposing views over the same subjects. The trick has got to be to bring enough people in the middle of both parties together on solutions that at least move us all in a positive direction. But I'm not seeing that from this president; I'm seeing a president that wants it all, with no conditions. I don't think he's going to change, I think he's hellbent on winning back the House for his party in 2014 so he and they can finish the liberal agenda they want. If that happens, we could be in for a major shitstorm a few years down the road.
                      Is this not just the same crap Rant we get from yourself, Tsquare, OMD, Rakkasan, eohrnberger.... Same old tripe... Obama = Bad...

                      Same old lies dug up and keep spinning them... Obama doesn't talk to us boo hoo... It doesn't talk to the GOP half the time because there is a huge element that want him destroyed...

                      Give us a list of things Obama has ever really got compromising with the GOP...

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                      • #56
                        Re: The Ideologue in the White House

                        Originally posted by goober View Post
                        There is an agenda, why else have a political party?
                        I wouldn't phrase it like you just did, but it's there.

                        I would say it like this.
                        Liberals don't believe we can make things perfect, but we do believe we can make things better.

                        What is the GOP agenda?

                        (̅_̅_̅(̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅()ڪ



                        We get more votes than you do.....
                        You buy more votes with money from taxpayers.

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                        • #57
                          Re: The Ideologue in the White House

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          You buy more votes with money from taxpayers.
                          Taxpayers don't pay for wars that enrich MNCs?
                          Apparently, both parties buy votes with money from taxpayers.

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