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Obama: "he still has not learned how to govern."

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  • Obama: "he still has not learned how to govern."

    It comes as no surprise that I think Obama is the worse POS to ever have held the office of president.

    It should worry some of you that I'm not only, no longer alone in this line of thought, but have company of some of his best left leaning cheering section in the press...

    Maureen Dowd.

    How is it that the president won the argument on gun safety with the public and lost the vote in the Senate? Its because he doesnt know how to work the system. And its clear now that he doesnt want to learn, or to even hire some clever people who can tell him how to do it or do it for him.

    Its unbelievable that with 90 percent of Americans on his side, he could get only 54 votes in the Senate. It was a glaring example of his weakness in using leverage to get what he wants. No one on Capitol Hill is scared of him.
    Now we all know that 90% figure while not made up, was certainly ginned up, and as she goes through the line up of Senators, they know that 90% number didn't come from their state... but still... this is about Obama.

    President Obama thinks he can use emotion to bring pressure on Congress. But thats not how adults with power respond to things. He chooses not to get down in the weeds and pretend he values the stroking and other little things that matter to lawmakers.
    I think that this is a product of a life of affirmative action... the lesson taught that you (whoever you are) should do for me what I want, only because I'm me... no other reason required. Even Maureen Dowd knows this to be a load of crap. After 4 years you'd think that Obama would know it too... but I guess not.

    After the Newtown massacre, he and his aides hashed it out and decided he would look cold and unsympathetic if he didnt push for some new regulations. To thunderous applause at the State of the Union, the president said, The families of Newtown deserve a vote. Then, as usual, he took his foot off the gas, lost momentum and confided his pessimism to journalists.
    So here we have an admission that all this was for show: "he would look cold and unsympathetic if he didnt push" Many here, and out in the real world pointed out that the bill would not have stopped any of the mass shooting from the last dozen years. Now we know it was never meant to... it's only 'job' was to make Obama look good. Nothing more. Think those Democrats in the Senate knew this?

    The president once more delegated to the vice president. Couldnt he have come to the Hill himself to lobby with the families and Joe Biden?
    What? And missed golf? It's that laziness thing again. You know... when you have to rely on Joe Biden... you're already fucked in the ass... Or as Dowd said:

    When you go into a fight saying youre probably going to lose, youre probably going to lose.
    The White House should have created a war room full of charts with the names of pols they had to capture, like they had in The American President. Soaring speeches have their place, but this was about blocking and tackling.

    Instead of the pit-bull legislative aides in Aaron Sorkins movie, Obama has Miguel Rodriguez, an arm-twister so genteel that The Washington Posts Philip Rucker wrote recently that no one in Congress even knows who he is.
    The two favorite Democratic presidents of the last 20 years are Jeb Bartlet and Andy Shepard. That both never existed and were both the creation of the drug fueled wet dreams of Aaron Sorkin is beside the point.

    At the end even Dowd knows that Obama the Lazy is the cause...

    Obama hates selling. He thinks people should just accept the right thing to do. But as Joe Manchin, the West Virginia Democrat, noted, senators have their own tough selling job to do back home. In the end you can really believe in something, he told The Timess Jennifer Steinhauer, but you have to go sell it.
    Obama the Lazy... this should also surprise no one as that is what we saw in the first term, and definitely the campaign we got in 2012... 'just enough to get by...' not an ounce more. So again this should be no surprise to anyone with eyes on this guy.

    Aside from ruling as a king with executive orders, making a couple appointments that can actually get through the Senate, and living like a king... golf and private concerts all such, it would look as though the Obama presidency is at it's functional end. Me and Maureen Dowd seem to think so.


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    Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

    One of Reagan's greatest strengths was his ability to sell to the American people. People respected him because he respected the office.


    • #3
      Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

      Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
      ahoy OldmanDan,

      thar be no doubt that Mr. Reagan is right up thar with Mr. Clinton, in terms 'o thar mastery 'o the craft 'o politics.

      - MeadHallPirate
      And, in the same breath, the same sentence, we have to also admit that Obama has done horribly poorly on that front, as well as the leadership front. The facts of the matter are inescapable now, even to the Lame Stream Media, the liberal elites, and the kool aid drinkers. The low information voters won't know the difference.


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        Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

        It is almost impossible to take critique of Obama from the right side seriously. Because if he was the greatest politician, the greatest leader ever seen, the right side would not notice it, and if they did they would never admit it. It's not like they are anything but partisan, and a partisan has to have selective vision, otherwise they couldn't be partisan.

        There is no objectivity on the right, and it turns them into chicken littles. Anything that hits them on the head from a butterfly to bird droppings is the sky falling. Hatred of anyone basically blinds the hater and they will only see their own foregone conclusion. And that is just the way it is.


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          Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

          obama has no leadership ability... no people skills in the professional arena... and he doesnt care to lead...

          He is a straight up politician in the truest sense. He does not care about actually accomplishing things.. he uses issues to play politics and corner his opposition.

          Fact is this week after the bombing like every fricken event that happens this POS had to give a fucking speech when a statement would of done.... all he does is grab the spot light give a speech and go back and play golf or basketball... and his people love him for it and criticize others that call him on all of the above

          Have typed it said it and emoted this since the day the man came into office... I have never seen such fucking hypocrisy ever displayed in my entire life as i have since this man took office


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            Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

            Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
            ahoy mateys,

            *throws his hat into the fray*

            i don't wanna be left outta the fun, aye.

            Obummer be the worst POTUS in the history 'o the United States.

            despite the reality that he governed in a manner that allowed Mr. Boehner to claim he won 98% 'o his objectives in the debt ceilin' crises resolution, despite the fact that Mr. Obastard hath retained and signed into law almost all 'o the Bush tax policy, despite the victory he scored in implementin' the right's Individual Mandate in healthcare reform, despite the way he's radically slowed the growth 'o government spendin', despite the fact that he's conductin' his foreign policy in a manner that probably gives Don Rumsfeld an erection...

            ...he be the worst POTUS ever. not only in the history 'o this country, but in the history 'o history!!! he's the worst American President since even caveman times!!!!

            DOWN WITH THE OBAMA, yarrrRRRRRR!!!!!

            - MeadHallPirate

            blah blah blah OBAMA GOD
            blah blah blah OBAMA PERFECT
            blah blah blah OBAMA BEST PRESIDENT EVER


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              Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

              Heks not the worst but he is an empty suit. What will the Obama legacy be? An expensiive and ineffective healtthcare system, and the economy didn't get much worsr! Oh yeah, that's something..

              Everyone is going to recall his political confrontations with X the leade of Y. His special relationship with the leader of nation Z will be legend...


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                Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                It is almost impossible to take critique of Obama from the right side seriously.
                I discounted my own critique of the man in the first sentence of the OP.

                Could it be that you don't know who Maureen Dowd is?

                Add that to the list of things that you don't know...


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                  Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                  Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                  ahoy Tsquare,


                  lol, these me thoughts;

                  1) Maureen Dowd, the shrill and most snarky voice on the NYT op-ed page (i've not read her in years. i ignore the ink that she gets in me favorite broadsheet)...
                  Damnit MHP... I can't argue with you when you're right... errrr... correct like that.

                  Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
         havin' serious buyer's remorse after she pillaged Hillary Clinton in the 2008 race and genuflected in front 'o Mr. Obama...who fer some reason she thought would reign as an actual Democrat, if not a liberal.


                  - MeadHallPirate
                  True enough... but not from a liberal / conservative POV, but from a leadership / effectiveness perspective. Dowd takes no issue with the policy, only his inability to get that policy passed into law.

                  And shrill or not... in this case she is correct...


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                    Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                    Obama and the Left have had a rough go of it as of late, Tsquare. And you know its bad when Maureen Dowd starts to sound like Michelle Malkin.

                    Will it get better for Team Obama? I doubt it. I think theres a fare chance Obama may give new meaning to the phrase lame duck, by the time he gets to the end of his second term. But I guess time will tell.

                    My state senator, Joe Manchin, hit the nail on the head: you have to do better than believe in the idea---you have to sell it, or however it was he said it. By surrounding himself with the Newtown families, Obamas argument to sell the idea was an appeal to emotion---and a cynical one at that---given that the motive was purely political in the sense that it was intended to portray the government [Obama] as doing something as a result of the shootings.

                    The problem, the Obama/Axelrod problem, wasnt the NRA: its the fact too many people know political opportunism and a dog and pony show when they see it. And that was clearly evident in the fact they couldnt even get it through the Democrat controlled Senate.

                    Obama only compounded things by getting pissy about it.


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                      Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                      Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                      ahoy JDJarvis,

                      Mr. Obama's legacy?

                      1) his implementin' healthcare reform that revolves around the Individual Mandate, a creation 'o the GOP.

                      2) the slow but steady relaxin' 'o gun control laws.

                      3) retainin' almost all 'o the Bush era tax policies.

                      4) AWOL on civil rights.

                      5) AWOL on the environment.

                      6) AWOL on habeas corpus.

                      7) oversaw robust protection and acceleration 'o the wealth 'o the 1% whilst America was in the swoon 'o a recession.

                      8) whether its disbursin' monies to Africa fer our covert and not-so-covert military operations, to his "sovereign nation my ass" approach to Pakistan when he ordered the capture and killin' 'o Osama Bin Laden, to the continued growth in military spendin'...a foreign policy that would make a neo-con hard with excitement (if only thar was a bit more nation buildin' involved).

                      i think that covers it, aye me hearty?

                      - MeadHallPirate
                      Being as how we got most of those expectations from his promises to us, I figure those are all the earmarks of am imperial presidency, don't you think, Cap'n.

                      His majesty says anything but does nothing about it when he has the power to do something. He also ignores the will of the people (and/or our allys) in shoving his own, unvetted agenda down our throats.

                      King Barack I


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                        Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                        Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                        He also ignores the will of the people (and/or our allys) in shoving his own, unvetted agenda down our throats.
                        What are you referring to when you say he "ignores the will of the people?"


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                          Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                          Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                          What are you referring to when you say he "ignores the will of the people?"
                          Take your pick: Gun control, Obamacare, cutting the deficit in half ... I'm sure there are more, but that should get you started.


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                            Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                            Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                            Take your pick: Gun control, Obamacare, cutting the deficit in half ... I'm sure there are more, but that should get you started.
                            Obama campaigned in 2008 repeatedly promising universal-ish health care and they elected him. In 2012, Obama repeatedly said he would keep Obamacare and Romney said he would repeal it... and they re-elected Obama. So it is truly strange to say that was forced down the country's throat.

                            Likewise, many of the gun control measures that Obama supported poll incredibly high... but a minority of Senators chose to prevent their passage. A good case could be made that it was the Republicans who shoved their agenda down America's throat.


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                              Re: Obama: &quot;he still has not learned how to govern.&quot;

                              Originally posted by AdamKadmon View Post
                              Obama campaigned in 2008 repeatedly promising universal-ish health care and they elected him. In 2012, Obama repeatedly said he would keep Obamacare and Romney said he would repeal it... and they re-elected Obama. So it is truly strange to say that was forced down the country's throat.
                              Feel free to believe that was the only issue on which either of those presidential elections ran. I believe that is so much baloney. The public, which includes the voting and the non-voting public in the United States, swamped their legislators with "turn down health care legislation" running 2 - 1 over the "yes please" sentiments. The public opinion polls ran 75+% against that version of healthcare (though the reverse was true about favoring some kind of healthcare reform). I'm not one much for PO polls, but 75% is a compelling stat, regardless of whether or not you discount a lot of them.

                              Likewise, many of the gun control measures that Obama supported poll incredibly high... but a minority of Senators chose to prevent their passage. A good case could be made that it was the Republicans who shoved their agenda down America's throat.
                              "Many?" I'm talking about the measure that was defeated in Congress: That one wasn't all that popular with the citizens. Dianne Feinstein's specific list and the smaller magazines were also not that popular... so what does Obama do? He claims he will address the issue with Executive Orders... JUST LIKE an imperial president would do: Get the pulse of the public and, if you don't like it, just go around it.

                              DO you want to talk about the "interim appointments" he staged WHILE Congress was still in session? Do you want to talk about his promise to rid the white house of all lobbyists, or his promise to make his the most transparent administration ever? Or his promise to reach across the aisle.

                              Hate on the republicans all you want, but Obama (and not the republicans) made those promises and, then, bailed on them ... and WITHOUT any assistance from the GOP.