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    Seems to be varying reports out today the closer we get to the Bush 43 library dedication on his legacy. FoxNews saying his ratings are back up and close to what Obama is at now. CNN has similar comments leaving out a comparison to Obama. Being how I've said multiple times in many topics here that I consider Bush 43 to be one of the worst presidents we've had, I was curious what others in our community here think of Bush 43 this many years out of office? Better opinion, worse, about the same... and why? Personally I think history will judge him harsh for may reasons but what do you ladies and gents think?

    Dallas (CNN) -- George W. Bush is a proud new grandfather and fascinated by his unlikely new hobby: painting.

    But some things haven't changed a bit: the trademark smirk when he is amused, a squinty glare when he doesn't appreciate the question -- and a quick turn to humor when the conversation turns to "legacy," including the scars of Iraq or the cloud of Katrina.

    "History will ultimately judge the decisions that were made for Iraq and I'm just not going to be around to see the final verdict," the two-term president told CNN in a wide-ranging interview.

    "In other words, I'll be dead."
    Bush 43: 'History will ultimately judge ... I'm a content man' - CNN.com

    Four years out of office, George W. Bush grows in Americans' esteem | Fox News
    Last edited by Sluggo; 04-25-2013, 07:50 AM. Reason: Forgot to add in the FoxNews story I referenced.

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    Re: Bush 43 ratings improving with age?

    Yup. The people are generally kinder to presidents past.

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      Re: Bush 43 ratings improving with age?

      One of the things I like about human nature is that we tend to remember the good and forget the bad. Certainly not everyone works this way, and I know some bitter folks that don't know how to forgive and move on, but I'd say the majority of us forgive and forget. and I think it's much better for our spirit.

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        I suspect history will remember W in regards to the Iraw war much like history remembers LBJ for Vietnam.

        And Iraq has 1/10 the causalties of Vietnam.

        The more time passes the more people are indifferent, and just consider him a former President with little value judgement, especially newer generations.

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          Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
          ahoy Jihad4Beer,

          in the case 'o the Iraq war, 'tis important not to fergit a few things, as often be the case when lookin' at a POTUS as polarizin' as Mr. Bush.

          1) we had to attack Iraq, fer ye can't just let a nation 'o Islamoterrorists to stockpile nuclear WMD. they were warned.

          2) they attacked us on 9/11.

          President Bush never had a choice in the matter, and i think history will portray him as a "reluctant warrior" who kept this nation safe from attack.

          aye.

          - MeadHallPirate
          Not sure whether or not history will remember him as a reluctant warrior or anything else, but history should remember him as having taken every step in his "war on terror" to congress before he acted... that includes both Afghanistan and Iraq. And BOTH sides of the aisle, with very rare exceptions (Ron Paul being one, I forget the other or others), unanimously approved his decisions. It wasn't just President Bush who believed the so-called "yellow cake" evidence. Most in congress who saw it, also believed it and believed (or at least stated publicly) we have to go in after it given Hussein's previous decision to use WMD against his own people.

          It is my hope that, at least, History will be balanced in its recollection of GWB.

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            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
            Yup. The people are generally kinder to presidents past.
            I understand that, but obviously there are exceptions... even with your source. Some rather poor like Johnson and Nixon. My question was about your opinion of Bush 43 now that we have some distance between his time in office and now.

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              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
              I understand that, but obviously there are exceptions... even with your source. Some rather poor like Johnson and Nixon. My question was about your opinion of Bush 43 now that we have some distance between his time in office and now.
              All things considered, I think he acquitted himself pretty well. One always has to remember that just because he was in the office, there are still things that are beyond his control. I think he did pretty well considering that he was grappling with a brand new situation, vis a vis 9/11 and the war on Islamic terrorism. I think this a fair assessment as many of his policies have continued into this administration unchanged, or nearly so.

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                Re: Bush 43 ratings improving with age?

                Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                ahoy Good1,

                when Mr. Bush entered office, his goals and focus were pretty much on domestic affairs, matey.

                his reaction to 9/11 was just that, a response - and in this manner, he was indeed the reluctant warrior.

                as i said, Iraq had stockpiles 'o WMD and when ye couple that with thar involvement in the 9/11 attacks, one might even call President Bush measured and restrained in his policy responses to that terrible day.

                aye.

                - MeadHallPirate
                I only wanted it interjected that Bush did go to congress for approval at every turn, Cap'n. And he got approval from the vast majority (on both sides of the aisle). It happens far too often that someone will hurl an acusation at the man as if he stood alone and acted unilaterally (or in concert with the dreaded Cheney and/or Rumsfeld). History dulls our memory of "the bad" but there are still a few people around who only want to remember what they believe is "the bad."

                Just striking for clarity is all, Cap'n. You and I have no argument here.

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                  lol....

                  Some of you would give yourself much more credence if you would stop blame shifting the role of GW Bush as Commander in Chief to "both sides of the aisle in Congress."

                  Bush was the leader. I voted for the guy in 2000 and I can admit it.

                  Is it just that hard to do? The weird partisian egos some of you people have is just retarded.

                  It's like how they can't give Obama credit for pulling the trigger on nabbing bin Laden. You damn straight know he pulled the trigger on sending US Special Forces into another country without permission to go capture or kill public enemy #1. There was a hell of a lot of risk, if it had gone bad all you assholes would never STFU about it.

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                    Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                    lol....

                    Some of you would give yourself much more credence if you would stop blame shifting the role of GW Bush as Commander in Chief to "both sides of the aisle in Congress."

                    Bush was the leader. I voted for the guy in 2000 and I can admit it.

                    Is it just that hard to do? The weird partisian egos some of you people have is just retarded.
                    Uhm ... yeah: YOU'RE the adult here. [cue laugh track]

                    It's like how they can't give Obama credit for pulling the trigger on nabbing bin Laden. You damn straight know he pulled the trigger on sending US Special Forces into another country without permission to go capture or kill public enemy #1. There was a hell of a lot of risk, if it had gone bad all you assholes would never STFU about it.
                    Kind of curious how much "risk" you see in Obama giving the "go" after the choppers were already in the air and, then, watching from his underground bunker (or was it the sit room IN the underground bunker ... I forget). Yeah, he's such a risk-taker, he's sending tanks and money to the Muslim brotherhood. He didn't pull the trigger, homey. SEAL team 6 pulled the trigger. HE was an observer where the only "risk" he took was the potential to get bed sores sitting on his butt for so long.

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                      Re: Bush 43 ratings improving with age?

                      Things bush did right:
                      Built a coalition and invaded Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11.
                      Got congressional approval before going to war ... twice.
                      Got budgets passed.


                      Things bush did wrong:
                      Didn't stop 9/11 from occurring in the first place.
                      Lied to congress to get approval to go to war in Iraq.
                      Implemented an open policy that Americans torture prisoners.
                      Started the TSA (private security was fine, it was the federal screening guidelines that needed revision).
                      Let NK get nukes.
                      Polarized politics to a ridiculous degree (via Rove's maneuvering).
                      Handed much of the middle east to Iran.
                      Gutted federally funded basic scientific research.


                      Things that remain to be seen whether they are good/bad/neutral:
                      Big deficits. <--- I suspect they will be seen as bad because he didn't have big deficits to build infrastructure.
                      Did nothing significant to curb our nation's CO2 emissions.
                      Let immigration policy continue as usual.

                      What are the things bush will be remembered for in the long run?

                      9/11 (somehow he doesn't get destroyed simply by letting it happen in the first place)
                      Iraq war.
                      Big deficits.
                      Start of the Economic collapse.

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                        Re: Bush 43 ratings improving with age?

                        Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                        Uhm ... yeah: YOU'RE the adult here. [cue laugh track]



                        Kind of curious how much "risk" you see in Obama giving the "go" after the choppers were already in the air and, then, watching from his underground bunker (or was it the sit room IN the underground bunker ... I forget). Yeah, he's such a risk-taker, he's sending tanks and money to the Muslim brotherhood. He didn't pull the trigger, homey. SEAL team 6 pulled the trigger. HE was an observer where the only "risk" he took was the potential to get bed sores sitting on his butt for so long.

                        Of course there is no definitive proof to verify your version of the story. You act like you were there and listening. It's really speculation and you know you can't prove your version so i don't know why you post it like it's gospel.

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                          Glad to see him come up. I actually like the man and because of this I hope the fickle public will continue to increase in their feelings towards him.

                          I don't blame him for the crash. I think it was set into motion years ago and just blew up under his time in office.

                          I think he is a man of principles and I may not agree with them, but a principled man is better than one that moves in whatever direction the wind blows.

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                            Fair or not, Bush’s legacy is the crashed economy and the Iraq war. But he had plenty of help with the former and the more partisan amongst us forget that plenty of people voted for the latter. Blaming Bush for it all makes for good politics but honest historians shouldn’t be motivated by ideological agendas.

                            At any rate, fall of his warts, Bush II is an apparently humble man or he would have sought the spotlight or tried to weigh-in on policy matters in his post-presidential retirement. And I think part of why his poll numbers are approaching Obama’s is because people miss his moral clarity even if they disagreed with some of the decisions he made.

                            Ah, moral clarity, where art thou?

                            Speaking of decisions, Bush made one that historians would do well to remember: his initiative to deal with the AIDS epidemic in Africa is quite the success. It was an inherently risky venture because there was some concern that the AIDS virus would mutate because the AIDS patients there wouldn’t take their medication properly. But love him or hate him, Bush never shied away from hard decisions and he made an excellent one there.

                            One that, if he were a liberal or leftist, would surely have landed him a Nobel Peace Prize by now.

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                              President Bush is a humble and moral man. I have met him and his wife a couple of times. When he is in a casual setting just visiting with people, he is very outgoing, generous, and pleasant. His political views were a little more liberal than mine but he was sincere and didn't stick his finger in the wind to decide what to do about an issue.

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