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Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

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  • #46
    Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

    Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
    9 months is hardly overnight approval process.

    30 days is about as close to overnight as you're likely to get in DC.

    The Barack H Obama Foundation Received Tax Exempt Status in 30 Days in 2011

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    • #47
      Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      I fail to see how it is unfair in any way to address, redress and/or discuss this blatantly unfair tactic used by the Obama administration.
      You have proof that Obama did what?

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Your attribution of 'Anything to stop the liberal agenda' requires some further explanation,
      I am paraphrasing OldmanDan.

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      when what appears to be the most prevalent view is an unfair advantage by those abusing the power of government.

      Please explain your position on this.
      I have explained my position several times. 501c4s are a loophole being exploited by political organizations to campaign while keeping their donors secret. Which is against the Federal Election Campaign Act.

      Again that is the real scandal.

      Do you care more about just linking it to Obama or the fact that political groups on both sides can exploit this loophole to try and influence elections while keeping their donors secret.

      Don't you think it should be public knowledge to know who or what is spending lots of money to get which candidate elected?

      Or is it just all about Obama?

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      • #48
        Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

        Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
        ...so you wouldn't have minded the IRS going after anti-war 501c's during Bush's two terms??
        No, why would I?

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        • #49
          Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

          Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
          30 days is about as close to overnight as you're likely to get in DC.

          The Barack H Obama Foundation Received Tax Exempt Status in 30 Days in 2011
          That's a 501c3. The issue is around 501c4s.

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          • #50
            Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

            Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
            ...I have explained my position several times. 501c4s are a loophole being exploited by political organizations to campaign while keeping their donors secret. Which is against the Federal Election Campaign Act.
            The rules of the road were changed with the Supreme Court's rulings in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc. (2007), Davis v. Federal Election Commission (2008) and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010).

            Citizens United ruling also struck down the ban on corporate & union independent spending, originally passed as part of the Taft-Hartley law in 1947.

            Imho, that is the real scandal.

            Do you care more about just linking it to Obama or the fact that political groups on both sides can exploit this loophole to try and influence elections while keeping their donors secret.

            Don't you think it should be public knowledge to know who or what is spending lots of money to get which candidate elected?
            I care about the inevitable corruption stemming from the torrents of undisclosed money flooding our systems.

            Money not only talks, it swears.

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            • #51
              Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

              Originally posted by Quinn View Post
              The rules of the road were changed with the Supreme Court's rulings in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc. (2007), Davis v. Federal Election Commission (2008) and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010).

              Citizens United ruling also struck down the ban on corporate & union independent spending, originally passed as part of the Taft-Hartley law in 1947.

              Imho, that is the real scandal.



              I care about the inevitable corruption stemming from the torrents of undisclosed money flooding our systems.

              Money not only talks, it swears.
              And again, if you all want to start a thread on 501 organizations, feel free to do so. This thread is about the abuses of government under this administration. The rules should be the same for libs and cons, no matter what the rules are and in this case, the administration used the power of the executive branch to stifle political opposition.

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              • #52
                Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                And again, if you all want to start a thread on 501 organizations, feel free to do so.

                No, it is a valid point because 501c4s are not supposed to be primarily political in the first place.

                The basic Republican complaint here is akin to some child who got in trouble and his only excuse is, "they do it too, why am I getting picked on."

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                This thread is about the abuses of government under this administration. The rules should be the same for libs and cons, no matter what the rules are and in this case, the administration used the power of
                the executive branch to stifle political opposition
                .
                Oh yes, conservative groups are so stifled.

                But can you actually prove that? It seems like a real cockamamie scheme, much like most conspiracy theories.

                Since presidential elections are decided in swing states, and the campaigns know that, I would like to see how many of these conservative groups flagged for further review actually reside in swing states.

                A tea party 501c4 is pretty much ineffectual in Texas as it is California, as both states are predetermined anyways. This is why residents of those states will see much less campaign advertising and the candidates will spend little if any time at all campaigning there.

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                • #53
                  Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                  Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                  The basic Republican complaint here is akin to some child who got in trouble and his only excuse is, "they do it too, why am I getting picked on."
                  Right... that's why your 'betters' are calling for heads...

                  Two top Democrats on the powerful House Ways and Means Committee are calling for the resignation or firing of Lois Lerner, the head of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) division responsible for tax-exempt organizations.

                  Reps. Joe Crowley (D-NY) and Sander Levin (D-MI) say Lerner, who planted a question at a conference to break news of the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups, must step down.

                  “Ms. Lerner should be relieved of her duties,” said Levin.

                  Crowley says Lerner “failed to answer the question” as to whether the IRS was targeting tax-exempt groups during a congressional hearing. “She then two days later planted a question at a press event, only to then use that opportunity to apologize for what the IRS had been doing,” said Crowley. “If you’re Miss Lerner, you’re worried about your career right now.”

                  Crowley, who called Lerner’s actions “unacceptable,” joined Levin in calling for her resignation or firing.
                  But please... by all means... keep telling us there is not "there" there...

                  Top Democrats Call for More IRS Resignations

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                  • #54
                    Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                    Right... that's why your 'betters' are calling for heads...



                    But please... by all means... keep telling us there is not "there" there...
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                    Top Democrats Call for More IRS Resignations
                    Its funny that you are attacking me.

                    You must feel threatened by anyone who challenges your view of the world. That does not suggest you are confident in your views.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                      Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                      No, it is a valid point because 501c4s are not supposed to be primarily political in the first place.

                      The basic Republican complaint here is akin to some child who got in trouble and his only excuse is, "they do it too, why am I getting picked on."



                      Oh yes, conservative groups are so stifled.

                      But can you actually prove that? It seems like a real cockamamie scheme, much like most conspiracy theories.

                      Since presidential elections are decided in swing states, and the campaigns know that, I would like to see how many of these conservative groups flagged for further review actually reside in swing states.

                      A tea party 501c4 is pretty much ineffectual in Texas as it is California, as both states are predetermined anyways. This is why residents of those states will see much less campaign advertising and the candidates will spend little if any time at all campaigning there.
                      The administration first claimed this was isolated actions of some agents in Cincinnati. Last I knew, Ohio was one of the swing states. You are also missing the point or intentionally trying to redirect or deflect it. The issue is about the administration using a federal agency to abuse specific groups and not others that are aligned with their philosophy.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        The administration first claimed this was isolated actions of some agents in Cincinnati. Last I knew, Ohio was one of the swing states. You are also missing the point or intentionally trying to redirect or deflect it. The issue is about the administration using a federal agency to abuse specific groups and not others that are aligned with their philosophy.
                        Like in the other thread. Dan, he's not going to go there.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          The administration first claimed this was isolated actions of some agents in Cincinnati. Last I knew, Ohio was one of the swing states.
                          First of all, thank you for actually answering a question. Much better than most people here who just like to talk about me and their imaginary beliefs of what my motivation is.

                          My response to that is, the IRS operates service centers all around the country for various things. They are not exclusively servicing just the state they operate in. More like each form has a certain IRS address to send it to.

                          The issue was in a IRS Office in Cincinnatti, I don't recall the issue being exclusive to tea party applicants in Ohio. If so, you may have more of a case.


                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          You are also missing the point or intentionally trying to redirect or deflect it. The issue is about the administration using a federal agency to abuse specific groups and not others that are aligned with their philosophy.
                          And I am gonna ask you again, can you prove the White House instructed the IRS to do this?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                            Like in the other thread. Dan, he's not going to go there.
                            I am sure I make more money than you do. That's why you bitch and moan right.

                            But since we are playing this game, let me find a pic of what you and the rest of the gang must look like.

                            white-trash1.jpg

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                            • #59
                              Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                              Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                              First of all, thank you for actually answering a question. Much better than most people here who just like to talk about me and their imaginary beliefs of what my motivation is.

                              My response to that is, the IRS operates service centers all around the country for various things. They are not exclusively servicing just the state they operate in. More like each form has a certain IRS address to send it to.

                              The issue was in a IRS Office in Cincinnatti, I don't recall the issue being exclusive to tea party applicants in Ohio. If so, you may have more of a case.
                              No, the issue was across multiple states, coordinated and began at roughly the same time. That defeats your "oh it was a couple of rogue people in Cincinnati" argument.



                              Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                              And I am gonna ask you again, can you prove the White House instructed the IRS to do this?
                              The head of the IRS union met with the president the day before the orders went out to IRS to begin targeting conservative groups...and only conservative groups.

                              1 +1 = 2

                              Short of getting the recordings of said meeting, which of course the president will claim "national security implications" to prevent them being obtained, no you're not going to hear the president order it.

                              But he did.

                              I don't need proof to know the sun is shining, even if I can't see it through the cloud cover. I know it's still there because logic tells me it's still there.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Abuses Of Government By The Obama Administration

                                Originally posted by 9aces View Post
                                No, the issue was across multiple states, coordinated and began at roughly the same time. That defeats your "oh it was a couple of rogue people in Cincinnati" argument..
                                I was not making that argument at all.

                                Dan brought up Cincinnati.

                                It seems like a lot of people on this forum suffer really bad reading comprehension skills.

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