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  • #61
    Re: Obama Hampered by all these &quot;Phony Scandals&quot;

    "They're killing Big Bird!"
    "Binders full of women!"
    "Romney put his dog on top of his car!"

    Yes, please lecture us about phony scandals.

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    • #62
      Re: Obama Hampered by all these &amp;quot;Phony Scandals&amp;quot;

      Originally posted by AJG View Post
      I think calling for turning countries into parking lots is a little extreme. I thought we was against extremism, but since he himself took an extreme position I thought that was hypocritical.
      And why is it extreme? I don't think you get the concept of war.

      We've been using "measured response" for a while now. How's it working out?

      Conan had it right. Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.

      Not sure if you've noticed the history of this country. The native tribes were crushed and forced to become part of this country, integrate or die.

      When you have no ability to make war, you tend not to. My ancestors learned that lesson the hard way.

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      • #63
        Re: Obama Hampered by all these &amp;quot;Phony Scandals&amp;quot;

        Originally posted by 9aces View Post
        And why is it extreme? I don't think you get the concept of war.

        We've been using "measured response" for a while now. How's it working out?

        Conan had it right. Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.

        Not sure if you've noticed the history of this country. The native tribes were crushed and forced to become part of this country, integrate or die.

        When you have no ability to make war, you tend not to. My ancestors learned that lesson the hard way.
        Well first, what do you mean by turning a country into a parking lot? Sounds a lot like complete obliteration to me. Do you support using the nuke against Iran? Or should we invade the country like we did with Iraq?

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        • #64
          Re: Obama Hampered by all these &amp;quot;Phony Scandals&amp;quot;

          Originally posted by AJG View Post
          Well first, what do you mean by turning a country into a parking lot? Sounds a lot like complete obliteration to me. Do you support using the nuke against Iran? Or should we invade the country like we did with Iraq?
          We shouldn't go to war lightly but when we do go, we should go with the intent of obliterating our enemy. No war has ever ended without one side bringing the other to complete surrender. Our war on Islamic fundamentalists is difficult because we tip toe around civilians who are harboring the bad guys, sometimes against their will, sometimes not.

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          • #65
            Re: Obama Hampered by all these &amp;quot;Phony Scandals&amp;quot;

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            We shouldn't go to war lightly but when we do go, we should go with the intent of obliterating our enemy. No war has ever ended without one side bringing the other to complete surrender. Our war on Islamic fundamentalists is difficult because we tip toe around civilians who are harboring the bad guys, sometimes against their will, sometimes not.
            I agree, but sometimes the problem is more complex than that. I'm going off on a tangent right here but bear with me. COIN worked in Iraq because there was at least a government to secure our efforts once we left the region (unfortunately the current government we left is pretty undemocratic and isn't suited to take on the responsibilities we left them) but it did not work in Afghanistan because there is no government there that can do what we can do. Would it work in Iran? Maybe, but what if it doesn't? Our problem isn't kicking ass (we get things done very quickly when it comes to brute force). We don't know how to end wars. Our war with Afghanistan remains ongoing because all we're doing is playing a game of wack a mole but with terrorists. Once we kick some ass we leave and the terrorists move back in. Our efforts have pervented the country from falling into complete chaos, but unless we're willing to remain there forever we have to do something otherwise our war will have been for nothing. We need to engage Pakistan, create long term relationships that will last beyond the duration of the war. We have to show them that not housing the Taliban is in their best interests as well as ours.

            So my question is this: If we go to war with Iran, what then? We can destroy the Iranian government pretty easily, but how can we prevent it from becoming another Iraq? How can we prevent another regime from taking its place? How can we make Iranians better off than they had been before we went to war with their country? If Iran's economy fails (or even worse, the entire country) then the country will be plagued with violence and extremism. That would not be in our's or anyone's best interest.

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            • #66
              Re: Obama Hampered by all these &quot;Phony Scandals&quot;

              was amazed by this line of bullshit this week.... then it was compounded by the press who did not call him on it on this week with stephaclintonian......meet the press tried to call Jack Lew but then allowed him to to dismiss it as FACT and then it was not driven and the rest of the media didnt even mention it...

              there were books written under bush "Hubris" "fiasco" there were many more to call out the arrogance ( some warrented) of bush CO

              Obama co has been allowed since day one to re write the rules, be totally hypocritical and basically tell the press what to report and get what he wants. Anne Curry did a story on the PRNK and complained about the herding and small view they were allowed to cover ... bitched about it actually... that is what our countries main stream media is now.. lemmings who report what Obummer tells them... recently the only hard question asked was by a daily caller 16 year old kid........ the media attacked him for being a journalist... and now we have this ... a press secretary who can dismiss death and real corruption.... and a president who has now said it in every speech and his weekly address like a mantra and within one week the media has followed suit and he is back on the high horse as the "adult"in washington....

              I am of the opinion with this presidency we will never have real democracy in this country... we will no longer have checks or balances in our government and over time we will have real issues that will only surface if a republican ever becomes president again..

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              • #67
                Re: Obama Hampered by all these &amp;quot;Phony Scandals&amp;quot;

                Originally posted by AJG View Post
                I don't want a proportionate response, I want someone to agree with me that diplomacy is in our best interest.
                Oh. You think a non-Muslim country can successfully negotiate with Muslim countries about not running their country pursuant to Muslim ideology? Or perhaps you think non-Muslim people in the minority can successfully negotiate with the Muslim majority about not running their country pursuant to Muslim ideology? Can you name 1 single example where this diplomacy with these people have been successful? If not, you must admit that your diplomacy preference is in theory and has no actual example in practice, right?

                Maybe I missed the posts but I thought we were talking about the horrors of Sharia law and its philosophy.

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