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Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

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  • Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

    Please validate this if you feel so moved: I have not heard of it before. But if accurate, I am outraged at Obama's condescending words to Prime Minister Netanyahu:

    United States President Barack Obama is laying down some ground rules when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. In an interview with Bloomberg, Obama warned Israel that it could expect sanctions and international isolation should Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fail to support a framework peace agreement.
    In the interview, Obama quoted the Jewish sage Rabbi Hillel when he stated that his message to Netanyahu is: If not now, when? And if not you, Mr. Prime Minister, then who? Obama criticized Netanyahu and said that the Israeli prime minister does not believe that a peace deal with the Palestinians is the right thing to do for Israel. He suggested that Netanyahu articulate an alternative approach.

    When it comes to the Palestinians, Obama was very blunt about how he views Palestinian action thus far in the current round of peace negotiations. Obama reiterated that PA President Mahmoud Abbas was the most politically moderate leader the Palestinians could hope for. Now, when it comes to peace, the ball is in Israels court.

    There comes a point where you cant manage this anymore, and then you start having to make very difficult choices, Obama explained. Do you resign yourself to what amounts to a permanent occupation of the West Bank? Is that the character as a state for a long period of time? Do you perpetuate, over the course of a decade or two decades, more and more restrictive policies in terms of Palestinian movement? Do you place restrictions on Arab-Israelis in ways that run counter to Israels traditions?
    From the Breaking Israel News website.

    Who is Obama to condescend to Prime Minister Netanyahu in any way about making difficult choices. Our Nimrod of a president doesn't make those regularly.

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    Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

    Isn't that adorable.

    Our man child President thinks the "Palestinians" want peace.

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    • #3
      Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

      Obama and Kerry are master statesmen. We're certainly looking at a brighter international situation and more secure world since he's come to office...

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        Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
        Obama and Kerry are master statesmen. We're certainly looking at a brighter international situation and more secure world since he's come to office...
        You do realize you have to change the bong water every so often... ja?

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          Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

          Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
          You do realize you have to change the bong water every so often... ja?
          I thought we where all just smirking at each other, waiting to see who would lose it first.

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            Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

            What a silly question...

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              Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

              Originally posted by Commodore View Post
              I thought we where all just smirking at each other, waiting to see who would lose it first.
              Yeah, I was about to say.

              However, I agree with the comment of 'man-child president'.

              I attribute it to the typical liberal / progressive arrogance thinking they know how the world works, convinced they absolutely know how people will react, when they really don't know anything, and are then utterly surprised at the 'unintended consequences' of the fall out of the typically needless mess they created.

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                Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                Please validate this if you feel so moved: I have not heard of it before. But if accurate, I am outraged at Obama's condescending words to Prime Minister Netanyahu:



                From the Breaking Israel News website.

                Who is Obama to condescend to Prime Minister Netanyahu in any way about making difficult choices. Our Nimrod of a president doesn't make those regularly.
                lol....the groveling for Israel by some of my fellow Americans is embarassing.

                How can you be outraged?

                Do you read what Obama said? Modern Israel is a relatively new state, implanted on what had been ancient Israel, but there were others there by the 20th century who had been living there a long time too. It's a territorial dispute.

                A conflict that is multi-generational going on 80 years and the people who started it are long dead now. To dismiss the Palestinian side as simply terrorists who have no cause is not looking at the whole picture.

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                  Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                  Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                  Do you read what Obama said? Modern Israel is a relatively new state, implanted on what had been ancient Israel, but there were others there by the 20th century who had been living there a long time too. It's a territorial dispute.
                  The original Jewish partition was carved out that way because they contained Jewish majorities. Arabs had their own areas. The Arab areas and friends invaded the Jewish areas, and lost. Over and over again.

                  Why anyone thinks the Jordanians and Egyptians still there shouldn't just slink to the far side of the Jordan or to Sinai is beyond me.

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                    Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                    Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                    The original Jewish partition was carved out that way because they contained Jewish majorities. Arabs had their own areas. The Arab areas and friends invaded the Jewish areas, and lost. Over and over again.

                    Why anyone thinks the Jordanians and Egyptians still there shouldn't just slink to the far side of the Jordan or to Sinai is beyond me.
                    That's probably part of it. Isn't the other part or parts that Israel keep encroaching on Palestinian territory with their settlement building? Cutting off any possibility of importation of needed food and medical supplies?

                    And the rest of the world's nations sit by idly while all this is happening. Wouldn't that be enough to drive you to terrorist acts?

                    As always, there are 2 sides to the story, and as this story has been going on for 80 years, getting to the bottom of it is probably beyond reasonable expectation. The other point is well worth noting, that GB (was it?) invented the nation of Israel post WW II taking someone else's historical and ancestral lands.

                    True, the Palestinians have done little in their behavior to engender a sympathetic ear from the world's nations, but that shouldn't necessarily condemn them to lose all their remaining lands either.

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                      Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                      That's probably part of it. Isn't the other part or parts that Israel keep encroaching on Palestinian territory with their settlement building? Cutting off any possibility of importation of needed food and medical supplies?

                      And the rest of the world's nations sit by idly while all this is happening. Wouldn't that be enough to drive you to terrorist acts?

                      As always, there are 2 sides to the story, and as this story has been going on for 80 years, getting to the bottom of it is probably beyond reasonable expectation. The other point is well worth noting, that GB (was it?) invented the nation of Israel post WW II taking someone else's historical and ancestral lands.

                      True, the Palestinians have done little in their behavior to engender a sympathetic ear from the world's nations, but that shouldn't necessarily condemn them to lose all their remaining lands either.
                      Britain turned it over to the UN, which partitioned it between Jewish and Muslim majority areas. That was the original "two state" solution. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs rejected it, declared war, and have been waging it in one form or another ever since.

                      In 1967 the area now known as the West Bank was owned by Jordan, the Gaza Strip by Egypt, and in responds to Arab mobilizations the Israelis got the jump on them, and captured those territories, including Jerusalem. Jordan and Egypt would later relinquish their claims to that territory, but left their citizens there as pawns to continue fighting Israel and distract their own populations from domestic problems.

                      There will be no peace until those citizens are settled in Jordan and Egypt, with full rights and privileges as citizens of those countries.

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                        Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                        Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                        Britain turned it over to the UN, which partitioned it between Jewish and Muslim majority areas. That was the original "two state" solution. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs rejected it, declared war, and have been waging it in one form or another ever since.

                        In 1967 the area now known as the West Bank was owned by Jordan, the Gaza Strip by Egypt, and in responds to Arab mobilizations the Israelis got the jump on them, and captured those territories, including Jerusalem. Jordan and Egypt would later relinquish their claims to that territory, but left their citizens there as pawns to continue fighting Israel and distract their own populations from domestic problems.

                        There will be no peace until those citizens are settled in Jordan and Egypt, with full rights and privileges as citizens of those countries.
                        So you are all on for ethnic cleansing Palestine?

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                          Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                          Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                          So you are all on for ethnic cleansing Palestine?
                          That's pretty much what the whole Arab world wants for Israel.

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                            Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                            Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                            lol....the groveling for Israel by some of my fellow Americans is embarassing.

                            How can you be outraged?

                            Do you read what Obama said? Modern Israel is a relatively new state, implanted on what had been ancient Israel, but there were others there by the 20th century who had been living there a long time too. It's a territorial dispute.

                            A conflict that is multi-generational going on 80 years and the people who started it are long dead now. To dismiss the Palestinian side as simply terrorists who have no cause is not looking at the whole picture.
                            With respect, Beers, I'm not sure how you got that out of what I said. I didn't say anything untoward about the Palestinians (though I have in the past, so maybe that is what you were channeling here?).

                            My point is, the lord high-and-mighty Obama has no room to counsel ANYONE in the world, least of all Israel, about making tough choices because Obama his-own-bad-self doesn't make any and certainly those choices like saying "yes" to the plan to get Bin Laden was actually thrust upon him after the operation was already in flight. As several have already pointed out, whether condescending to deliver ultimatums to Israel or Russia or Iran or North Korea ... this president is weak and ineffectual and reading his words to the Prime Minister does outrage me at his arrogance.

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                              Re: Has Obama Effectively Abandoned Israel?

                              Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                              Britain turned it over to the UN, which partitioned it between Jewish and Muslim majority areas. That was the original "two state" solution. The Jews accepted it. The Arabs rejected it, declared war, and have been waging it in one form or another ever since.

                              In 1967 the area now known as the West Bank was owned by Jordan, the Gaza Strip by Egypt, and in responds to Arab mobilizations the Israelis got the jump on them, and captured those territories, including Jerusalem. Jordan and Egypt would later relinquish their claims to that territory, but left their citizens there as pawns to continue fighting Israel and distract their own populations from domestic problems.

                              There will be no peace until those citizens are settled in Jordan and Egypt, with full rights and privileges as citizens of those countries.
                              IMO, this is the part most progressives and liberals simply overlook (whether out of ignorance or convenience, I do not know). Egypt was amassing troops on Israel's border and the PLO was lobbing missile strikes into Israel's territory (killing civilians) ... what was Israel SUPPOSED to do?

                              they did what ANY sovereign state would do when they are threatened and their backs are to the sea: They launched and, in 6 days, not only defeated enemies with superior forces on three different fronts, but they TOOK the west bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai Peninsula as their war booty (though they gave Sinai back in '78 I think it was). NOW, of course, those countries who LOST are whining about wanting their lands back.

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