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  • US news networks need to go back to school

    I've put this in the off-topic section, as I didn't really see it sitting anywhere else, but below is a nice compilation of a slew of mistakes in news reporting from a multitude of different US news broadcasters over the last couple of days. If anyone doubts that the US education system is slipping, one only has to look at what "facts" are being presented to viewers.

    http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/tra...-1226861047746

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    Re: US news networks need to go back to school

    Most journalists are products of left wing schools that indoctrinate but fail to educate. Education is so "Conservative" and so "Backwards" and so "Old School."

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      Re: US news networks need to go back to school

      Not just the news media

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        Sorry noahath, if you are looking for someone to defend them, keep looking.

        They are as evil as they are stupid...

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          Re: US news networks need to go back to school

          Originally posted by noahath View Post
          I've put this in the off-topic section, as I didn't really see it sitting anywhere else, but below is a nice compilation of a slew of mistakes in news reporting from a multitude of different US news broadcasters over the last couple of days. If anyone doubts that the US education system is slipping, one only has to look at what "facts" are being presented to viewers.

          http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/tra...-1226861047746
          Hey, isn't all that 'free market' competition here supposed to take care of things like this?

          & I dunno if this is related however:

          Comcast Corporation is Americas biggest cable company, its biggest internet-service provider, and its third-biggest home-telephone provider. As the owner of NBCUniversal, its also one of the largest producers of programming for film, cable, and television; on NBCs networks, it is currently showing the Olympics. Its not just big by American standards. Its the largest media company in the world. In 2013, it took in $64.67 billion, generating $13.6 billion in operating income and $7.1 billion in net profits.

          Now this behemoth wants to get even bigger, and you have to give its C.E.O., Brian Roberts, some marks for chutzpah. In announcing Comcasts intention to swallow up Time Warner Cable, the second-biggest cable company in the country, he brushed aside concerns that the regulators and anti-trust authorities might veto the deal, describing it as pro-consumer, pro-competitive, and strongly in the public interest.
          How is this not a monopoly?

          Take the triple-play packagescable, phone, and high-speed Internet accessthat tens of millions of Americans buy from companies like Comcast and Time Warner Cable. In France, a country often portrayed as an economic and technological laggard, the monthly cost of these packages is roughly forty dollars a monthabout a quarter of what we Americans pay. And, unlike in the United States, Frances triple-play packages include free telephone calls to anywhere in the world. Moreover, the French get faster Internet service: ten times faster for downloading information, and twenty times faster for uploading it.
          Hey there Noahath, do you have these 'triple play deals'?

          In Seoul, triple-play packages start at about fifteen dollars a monthyes, fifteen.
          In Zurich, otherwise a pretty expensive place to live, they start at thirty dollars.
          When it comes to stand-alone services, its a similar story. In Britain, for example, monthly cell-phone charges start at about fifteen dollars; unlimited broadband starts at about twenty-five dollars a month. And, if you buy a television that was built since 2008, you get access to Freeview, a digital television service that provides more than sixty television channels, about thirty radio channels, and about a dozen streaming Internet channels, all at no cost.
          Why do American people pay more for, well, everything it seems, from healthcare to 'triple plays':

          This sorry situation isnt an accident. Its the predictable outcome of Congress bowing to the monopolists, or quasi-monopolists, and allowing them to squelch potential competitors. Americans pay so much because they dont have a choice, Susan Crawford, a former adviser to President Obama on science and innovation, and the author of a recent book, Captive Audience: The Telecom Industry and Monopoly Power in the New Gilded Age, told the BBC. We deregulated high-speed internet access ten years ago and since then weve seen enormous consolidation and monopolies Left to their own devices, companies that supply internet access will charge high prices, because they face neither competition nor oversight.

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            Re: US news networks need to go back to school

            Originally posted by Quinn View Post
            Hey, isn't all that 'free market' competition here supposed to take care of things like this?

            & I dunno if this is related however:



            How is this not a monopoly?



            Hey there Noahath, do you have these 'triple play deals'?



            Why do American people pay more for, well, everything it seems, from healthcare to 'triple plays':


            How many miles of cable and numbers of towers and equipment do you suppose France has to maintain compared to the U.S.?

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              Re: US news networks need to go back to school

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              How many miles of cable and numbers of towers and equipment do you suppose France has to maintain compared to the U.S.?
              How idiotic is that of a question?

              How much bigger is its consumer base....

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                Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                Originally posted by noahath View Post
                I've put this in the off-topic section, as I didn't really see it sitting anywhere else, but below is a nice compilation of a slew of mistakes in news reporting from a multitude of different US news broadcasters over the last couple of days. If anyone doubts that the US education system is slipping, one only has to look at what "facts" are being presented to viewers.

                http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/tra...-1226861047746
                LOL!!

                I was watching some of that and shaking my head. It's the result of social justice being emphasized in the schools which has resulted in widespread tolerance of ignorance. It's the new American way. We're all better off if we're universally ignorant but on the same page with social issues. I'm pretty sure that in the 2016 election there is going to be a national ballot proposition to govern via Facebook.

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                  Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                  Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                  How idiotic is that of a question?

                  How much bigger is its consumer base....
                  That's not the only factor to consider. If I want to run cable from Paris to Tolouse I can do so while dealing with only one state authority. If I want to do the same from Atlanta, GA to Lexington, KY I've got a shorter distance but have to contend with three different states regulations and I'm doing so over a MUCH less densely populated area than the French have. In fact, if I wanted to cable GA, TN, KY, NC and SC (roughly the size of France) I'd have less than half the consumer base that France has so, yes, it's more expensive for internet here and with good reason.

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                    Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                    Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                    That's not the only factor to consider. If I want to run cable from Paris to Tolouse I can do so while dealing with only one state authority. If I want to do the same from Atlanta, GA to Lexington, KY I've got a shorter distance but have to contend with three different states regulations and I'm doing so over a MUCH less densely populated area than the French have. In fact, if I wanted to cable GA, TN, KY, NC and SC (roughly the size of France) I'd have less than half the consumer base that France has so, yes, it's more expensive for internet here and with good reason.
                    Thanks Luther, I was just going to let him bask in his ignorance. Europeans all seem to think that the U.S. is just another France.

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                      Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      Thanks Luther, I was just going to let him bask in his ignorance. Europeans all seem to think that the U.S. is just another France.
                      No problem.

                      It's kind of commonplace for folks to pick out one ugly tree and decide that the whole forest is a disaster.

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                        Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                        Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                        That's not the only factor to consider. If I want to run cable from Paris to Tolouse I can do so while dealing with only one state authority. If I want to do the same from Atlanta, GA to Lexington, KY I've got a shorter distance but have to contend with three different states regulations and I'm doing so over a MUCH less densely populated area than the French have. In fact, if I wanted to cable GA, TN, KY, NC and SC (roughly the size of France) I'd have less than half the consumer base that France has so, yes, it's more expensive for internet here and with good reason.
                        You seriously haven't a clue, if you think regulations in France are easier than USA... The way you describe it is just like passing through different countries in Europe...

                        Have any of ye heard of the economy of scale.... The USA is allowed to run one NOC(Network Operating Center), each country in Europe need separate ones... Also massive law changes from one country to another...

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                          Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                          Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                          You seriously haven't a clue, if you think regulations in France are easier than USA... The way you describe it is just like passing through different countries in Europe...

                          Have any of ye heard of the economy of scale.... The USA is allowed to run one NOC(Network Operating Center), each country in Europe need separate ones... Also massive law changes from one country to another...
                          As the designer of several NOCs, nobody here runs just one... most national networks have at least two, many have three... time zones, weather, earthquakes, hurricanes, all reasons to never have but one.

                          Lutherf was pointing one the crossing of state lines is like crossing national borders in the EU. He also was making a point about distance and population (read customers) density... something that the EU has while many places in the US don't.

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                            Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            As the designer of several NOCs, nobody here runs just one... most national networks have at least two, many have three... time zones, weather, earthquakes, hurricanes, all reasons to never have but one.

                            Lutherf was pointing one the crossing of state lines is like crossing national borders in the EU. He also was making a point about distance and population (read customers) density... something that the EU has while many places in the US don't.
                            Kinda makes sense in some respects, the state vs. national boarders thing. Since the EU national boarders are so much closer, they are crossed more often, and it's pretty regular course of business to do so.

                            Yes, the population density there is much higher than here. Some of our states are about the size of some of those nations, so crossing a state boarder is about the same as crossing an EU national border.

                            On the technical front, you definately never have a single NOC. You'd rather have networks of smaller NOCs than fewer larger NOCs (greater redundancy and system / network distribution), and the smaller NOCs are controlled / monitored by the master NOC, with which the smaller NOCs could operate without if needed.

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                              Re: US news networks need to go back to school

                              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                              On the technical front, you definately never have a single NOC. You'd rather have networks of smaller NOCs than fewer larger NOCs (greater redundancy and system / network distribution), and the smaller NOCs are controlled / monitored by the master NOC, with which the smaller NOCs could operate without if needed.
                              Ahhhmmm... no. Well close...

                              First... the world of tel-communication is a fascinating one, at least in the US. There had been a 'war' between two basic architectures... the single line copper network (everyone having their own single line of cooper to the CO) and the shared line to node to CO network. The former being the incumbent BellCo system and the latter being the cable operators system.

                              Then along came fiber... first really good between central offices and for LD and for the backbone of the 'net.

                              Then came ever better fiber and multi-channel optical equipment (32 channels now? Maybe more?)

                              Billions were spent on these two different systems... and billions more spent on changing them.

                              The BellCos going to more of a CO-to-fiber-to-node-to-cooper-to-end-user system and the cable guys doing about the same... only they had to upgrade their headend to node systems with fiber.

                              They also had to rebuild every one of their headends.

                              (tsquare Fun Fact! Federal regulations allow you to sell cable TV to people running the lines out of an old U-Haul trailer... if you can get HBO to their homes. But offer phone service... and the feds 'throw the book' at you... literally... multi-volume regulations which among other things requiring 5-9 reliability)

                              And then things started to get complicated... (and notice I haven't even mentioned the cell phone guys... although they are almost just like the other two only without the wire from the nodes to the end-users)

                              Sooo... along the way more people were buying more stuff and NOCs became billing centers as much as they were for managing the network. While at it's most basic this meant another row of server racks this also meant that each site of billing servers had to talk to every other one. This also meant that the NOC as much as the network itself could not be allowed go down (billions in lost revenue).

                              Thus redundant NOCs, each of equal 'power' and responsibility all interconnected (on it's own independent network) each talking to every other one in the system in real time, keeping the network and the billing moving smoothly.

                              (tsquare Fun Fact! CO, headend... all the same now really... server farms. Mostly just UNIX boxes... as most (though not all) of the specialized custom built 'switches' are fading away. And as COs become terrestrial receiving points for TV programing. They all become POPs years ago.)

                              Lastly... when the CEO of Comcast making claim of massive competition and consumer choice, he's thinking of his network vs AT&T (or the local TELCO) vs the 5 (or more) cell networks, vs guys like Google Fiber, vs God whoever. You see him having a massive monopoly... he sees competitors everywhere.

                              And you are both right...

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